Ex-Manager Thread

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Who would you have as our next Manager


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When poch left I was alarmed for the future, but have got over this much quicker. We have good people in charge and they can,t be held responsible for such a turn around from Koeman. I liked Koeman before he ratted us out and thought he was the right man for us, but he isn't the greatest manager in the world. Saints make people look good...Everton may fi d this out. However, I Shan,t lose sleep over it.
 
Don't agree with those on here retroactively questioning Ron's lack of managerial skills, just because he's going - think he's going to be a big loss in that regard, though also easy enough to improve upon. He was simply better than Poch because he finished higher up the table in both his seasons - that's results above technique, which is what it's about. What we will miss is the weight of his reputation as a player, and his sway in attracting certain players. That is something that AVB for one cannot inspire - I could not see myself as a player getting inspired by his sulky young face. For all the resources available to him at Chelsea and Spurs, he dropped the former out of the top four, and never got Spurs into the top four. Which is really where we're aiming, so no idea why anyone sees him as a solution. He points fingers at his players when under pressure, and has only had success in two-horse race leagues. He also admitted himself this year both stints didn't go well in his view, and that he wanted to try other leagues and was not interested in returning to England. Sounds like an admission of below-par performance and lack of confidence in his ability in this league to me.


Maybe. Still looking forward to his first 10 game winless run though.
 
It's really good that is playing out so early in the summer. It's also really good that we have seen this all before. It's great to be sitting in the sunshine. But not with red wine. I find that it gets a bit "flabby" in the warm weather. It's also not great when you are feeling a bit bluh from last nights imbibing. A nice beer later perhaps. Crisis? We are Saints and we tweak the nose of crises.

I thought I could laugh in the face of the rumours, speculation and crises until this one hit :eek: Thought the only issue was whether we had Ron for 1 year or more. I am recovering fast though and what doesn't kill us makes us stronger :cool:

I hope Ron stays for another year but if he doesn't I know Les will get us the best deal and the best replacement.
Won't be Howe though as his magic has only worked at Bomo and we are too big a step up. We need someone with European experience.

Red wine is the only option with a good burger on the Barbie, just don't let it get too warm.
(I'm too old to drink quantities of beer)

We March On
 
I get the concerns on AVB but don't forget the league was stronger at the top (or weaker in the middle) when he was at Spurs and he was under political pressure to play the players Spurs had spent so much money on (and Baldini was responsible for those signings rather than AVB). In his first season Spurs finished with two points more than Pochettino did this season and yet they finished two places lower.

I know a pretty well informed Spurs fan who says the following about him:

AVB had huge success when finishing 5th. I think it was the highest total to not get Champions League Football (though i'd need to check that). Villas-Boas was an outstanding coach and arguably better than Pochettino tactically. An astute manager who helped turn Bale into the star he is today. He moved him to the number 10 position in Feb of that year and altered the team around him. Obviously, Bale was entering another level but AVB totally bought into that. At the end of that season AVB was about as secure a coach as there was in the league. Approaches from Spain and PSG followed. He was sacked six months later. What happened?

Obviously, the departure of Bale was massive and the spending of the money is always the headline for his departure. In reality, that wasn't as big of a role in his departure. While AVB is a great coach his major weakness is his man management issues, as seen in his time with Chelsea and Spurs. When you look back at why things unravelled so quickly its quite laughable. The issue that started his demise was......Hugo Lloris. When Lloris was signed, Brad Friedel was playing really well and he didn't drop him immediately. AVB didn't care for the pressure he was being put under by the media and started acting out. It was a complete non story but AVB started to lose it. Ridiculous really. Then when Lloris did play, he received a head injury and carried on playing, which fed into a recent narrative on concussions. Again AVB started acting out, this time against the club, claiming the club worked against him with the Lloris injury.

The following week we played West Ham and lost. We were really poor that day and AVB decided to call out the players. In fairness, they probably deserved it, but in the space of two weeks he had now had arguments with the players, the media and ownership. It was an extraordinary turn around. Could it get any worse? Yes. Two weeks later Spurs played Hull and fans, typical for Spurs, started booing at half time. AVB then had a dig at the fans. On the day of that game (end of October) Tottenham's record was 5 wins 1 draw and 2 losses. They had only really had one poor result, against West Ham, yet AVB now had pissed off the fans, ownership, media AND the players! We were 4th in the league, 3 points off the lead. At this stage the whole club was against him and he was a couple of mistakes from losing his job. He lost three of the next 7. Not terrible but two of those losses where by six at City and five at home to Liverpool. He was fired on the 16th December with the club in 7th.

The Bale money is always the headline, and is another debate I like to have, but in the case of AVB it had nowt to do with his departure. An inability to pick his battles and manage his own ego was what cost him in the end. He managed to go from a beloved figure to someone on the outs within three weeks. It was one of the most incredible things i've seen at the club and i've seen a LOT in my time.

So yes, I'd have some concerns about his ability to handle pressure and perhaps his man management (although it seems Koeman may also have had some issues with man management) but I don't think those would be such big issues at Southampton. He'd be under less pressure here, get less media attention and probably get more backing from the board and the fans.
 
I've been thinking what my response might be if after several days we hear that Koeman comes out of it saying, no, I'm not leaving Southampton and never intended to.

I've burned a few emotional bridges over the last few days. ;)

I've even stopped saying "if" before my sentences.
 
I honestly wouldn't get your hopes up. Every single ITK and journalist is saying it's already done.
 
I honestly wouldn't get your hopes up. Every single ITK and journalist is saying it's already done.
100%. Announcement to come this evening, I believe.

Ron's signed a three-year deal with them on a deal in the region of £7m per year with performances bonuses.

There's an option for a fourth year if both parties are happy, supposedly.
 
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100%. Announcement to come this evening, I believe.

Ron's signed a three-year deal with them on a deal in the region of £7m per year with performances bonuses.

There's an option for a fourth year if both parties are happy, supposedly.

Do you know how much money to us?
 
I've even stopped saying "if" before my sentences.

So have I. One of the reasons why I'm slightly uncomfortable about my calm. I've never condemned anyone by hearsay.
I honestly wouldn't get your hopes up. Every single ITK and journalist is saying it's already done.

My hopes aren't even 0%. But even a murderer gets a trial and the proof isn't there yet. When I take the word of a sports journalist [sorry DTLW] and a supposed ITKer as gospel truth then I know I'm in trouble. I might as well vote Brexit.
 
100%. Announcement to come this evening, I believe.

Ron's signed a three-year deal with them on a deal in the region of £7m per year with performances bonuses.

There's an option for a fourth year if both parties are happy, supposedly.

And I'm not one bit sad or upset, bye Ron hope you soon see the grass won't be greener, we'll march on with out you!