Ex-Manager Thread

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Who would you have as our next Manager


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http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/43065/

Piece from Ugly Inside pointing out that Koeman will arrive in November to a match delayed by us playing in the Europa. As we start to turn away from the past and look forward to a hopefully interesting future, we should be aware that justice doesn't always happen...Ron may have a good career at Everton. We can't make the assumption that throwing money at something means you don't have a plan...Moshiri is considering bringing in a director of football (let's hope not Les Reed). The important thing is how we do...Ron falling on his face would be a bonus...but now time to move on. Our success will be the victory.
 
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Not sure if you're doubting me or not there Tobes. For the record though just in case..

Monday flight -13 hours from 11:30am UK time ( so day time) - 1 hour sleep
Tuesday - arrived local time 7:30 am (12:30 UK time - should have been going to bed) - Got 2 hours sleep that afternoon and then 4 hours over night
Wednesday - went to bed 11:30pm ish (UK time 4:30pm)
Today - woke up 4:30 am ish (5 hours sleep)....

I'll be making sense soon :)

Sounds like you went out via SIA then fats........are you staying anywhere near china town?
 
I don't understand quotes like "If the board were that unhappy, why offer him a new contract" or "If JWP hated him that much, why sign up for another 5"

Well, Ron was getting results, good results, and the board wanted to keep that up. Perhaps they were hoping they could iron the kinks out as he was doing well results wise? That seems logical to me.

As for JWP - he's a club man through and through, I doubt he's too fussed who'se in charge. Sign for the club, not the manager.
 
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Fits a bit too well?!? That story is preposterous.

If Koeman were that actively hated or at least not much respected by the team, along with not playing the formation and tactics we wanted, AND blocking the path from the academy which is apparently vital to our philosophy, why were trying to extend his contract? We should be sacking him immediately.

If JWP hates Koeman so much, then why would he sign an extension knowing that Koeman might be here another three or four years?

I find it a bit difficult to envision a French-speaker from Senegal using the term "asshat." Possible, I suppose. But seems iffy.

If he never wanted the Everton job, why would he fire his agent for refusing it? And why wouldn't Koeman's agent be aware of his intended bluff? Everton's interest was well known. So you just tell your agent to see what Everton will offer, and then you take that offer back to Saints and see if they will budge. Or you know what is a good way to get Everton to up their offer? Refuse their opening bid. It wouldn't be a problem that his agent turned Everton down initially, if their first bid was not substantive enough to apply pressure on Saints to match it.

Okay, now picture yourself in Koeman's alleged shoes. You've attempted to play Everton off against Saints, and failed miserably. The board is basically like "We didn't even want you that much. And now we are really disgusted by this game you're trying to play so no, not a penny more for you and we're pissed." Now you're in a massive pickle. You don't actually want to go to Everton, you're burning your bridges at Saints. They have called your bluff. I'd be sweating bullets, and I would probably just sign the offer in front of me while it's still being offered. Maybe go home for a day and stew over it, and act like I'm really torn about whether to sign just to salvage my pride even though it's not fooling anyone. But I'm signing that contract quick before Saints change their mind and I end up signing a long term deal with a club I don't want to manage. Or, if I've felt I've gone too far and Saints is no longer an option then I'm signing up quick with Everton just in case that deal goes South and I end up in a hot mess. Koeman's response? He took a vacation.

Who at the club would actually be in a position to know all of this stuff? Saints people know Saints stuff. And probably not even ALL Saints stuff. Just the stuff that pertains to their immediate job. If you were on the Saints board, would you be blabbing all this sensitive info. to co-workers? Yeah, but this guy isn't just privy to all of Saints inner workings, he knows what JWP, Tadic, and Mane think about Koeman. He knows why Koeman fired his agent. He knows who Everton's choice of manager was. He knows not just what Ronald Koeman is thinking, but also Erwin Koeman. Les Reed himself would not have all the info. this guy's supposed source knows. This guy already knows who we plan to transfer tells our ITK. But he doesn't say anything about who we plan to transfer in. He tells way more than enough to get him instantly fired if the leak is traced to him. But he draws the line at naming two managerial targets, though he's more than happy to blab about others. Isn't it strange that this guy has so much information that connects things that have already been rumored, and yet has (or won't reveal) any names that would be new? Like his all-knowingness stops at exactly the point at which he'd actually have to come up with a new name on his own.

And the gobsmackingly obvious-- why would some high up person in Saints just sit down over coffee with some dude and spill all of this information? A guy who he apparently hasn't seen in a long time, but is only an ex-neighbor he just oh-so-coincidentally ran into at the grocery store. "Oh hey, it's you. How have you been?" "Oh, hanging in there. Things have been a bit tough recently as my father's been quite ill. You see, he--" "Yeahyeahyeah. Great, great. That's great and all. Whatever. Let me buy you a cup of coffee and tell you everything I know but shouldn't be telling you about Saints."

Wow this is like an in depth analysis of why I said it fits too well. Trouble sleeping last night? Made for a nice read on my commute to work though.
 
Have to admit though what is in the story is a bit far fetched and is still bordering on all the speculation that has been going around. In truth there was nothing new in it, just confirmation of all the other rumours. This is what makes me sceptical of the whole thing as well. So yes it does all "fit too well" IMO.
 
Have to admit though what is in the story is a bit far fetched and is still bordering on all the speculation that has been going around. In truth there was nothing new in it, just confirmation of all the other rumours. This is what makes me sceptical of the whole thing as well. So yes it does all "fit too well" IMO.
I'd agree, but Adam Blackmore basically confirmed it, so I'm inclined to believe it.
 
Have to admit though what is in the story is a bit far fetched and is still bordering on all the speculation that has been going around. In truth there was nothing new in it, just confirmation of all the other rumours. This is what makes me sceptical of the whole thing as well. So yes it does all "fit too well" IMO.

It's worth remembering that this Jack Schitt guy said that he had added his own opinion to what he was saying as well.
gossip coming from an employee of the club is still gossip and full of the exaggerations, opinions and bias that brings.
But that doesn't mean that the whole thing should just be dismissed and I doubt very much someone would go to all that trouble to write about it otherwise.

I think those that dismiss it too easily are hung up on it all being 100% nailed on the wall truth and everything has to be black or white.

If you asked me about my boss, then I could quite happily tell you negatives and you would go away getting the impression I was unhappy in my job, but that's not true. I am happy overall. I just told you the negatives
 
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If the media are reporting accurately (yeah I know the media) most of Everton's transfer targets, that I have read about, are late 20s, and would have no sell on value.
Not a good business plan, if true, and won't generate income from future sales.
Plus, they would have to change the pre match music from Z Cars to the theme from Dad's Army.
 
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