Off Topic European Debate Thread
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I cant believe I have just read that statement from you. Even all those 'experts' on the remain side that you have listed previously have said we (as in the UK) need to get control of immigration. Shocking to say that you dont think its a massive issue.
And to say that about Greece.... well... thats shocking too. What the EU done to help Greece?
I would like to test that in reality.. Your freedom taken away or a lesser income.. I know which I would take!
Odd, because I bought some strawberries in Tesco yesterday which were very definitely less than 18mm and were all sorts of shapes and sizes. Can't remember the exact description but it was something like "less than perfect".
Proved many times. Remember he promised in the build up to the last election that he will not cut tax credits. What did he try and do after that??
So many examples we all could give.
Typical EU, grow more sugar beet in Europe we will subsidise you with extra tax payers money to cover the loss and while we are at it we will charge all other sugar cane producers in the world a hefty tariff and create poverty and unemployment in their countries.
It's just my opinion on immigration
The Eu has tried to help Greece by putting in measures to stabilise the economy. There are lots of flaws particularly in taxation with Greece's current economics.
I know its just your opinion as it definately not a fact, thats for sure!
What the EU has done for Greece is make things a lot worse and that is a fact!
Well you have read the EU rules on strawberries and other fruits/foods. You have seen the BBC clip as well stating the EU rules too. I have no idea how Tesco are getting around it. I know a supermarket have started to sell weird shaped veg which was going against the EU rules. Again not sure how they got around it.
But I can guarantee that not all shops/supermarkets are doing things like this and can guarantee that farms and businesses are wasting produce due to not meeting the EU rules and therefore losing money as a result.
The letter in the Telegraph is signed by 306 business leaders in a personal capacity.
It states: “Year-on-year the EU buys less from Britain because its economies are stagnant and millions of workers are unemployed. According to Mervyn King, the former Bank of England Governor, the Euro ‘might explode’. Brussels' red tape stifles every one of Britain’s 5.4 million businesses, even though only a small minority actually trade with the EU.
“It is business - not government - which generates wealth for the Treasury and jobs for our communities. Outside the EU, British business will be free to grow faster, expand into new markets and create more jobs. It's time to Vote Leave and take back control.”
Meanwhile, Lord Farmer, the former Treasurer of the Conservative Party and founder of Red Kite Group, who is also a signatory of the letter has written for this newspaper’s website to say that warnings of the risk of a Brexit are “misguided”.
Lord Farmer writes: “Warnings of disaster if we leave are misguided. Britain, the world’s fifth-biggest economy, should be confident that others will want to trade freely with it especially if, like the EU, they already do so. Europe has a surplus of nearly £70bn with us and no reason to put up barriers.
“Nor will EU countries want to restrict their access to the London markets. Canary Wharf alone does more business than Frankfurt and we are Europe’s financial outlet to the world. Everyone benefits when London booms.
“We can see the possibility now for a bright new beginning. By voting to leave, we will be taking back democracy and this will benefit everyone. By ending a decades-old deception, we will be leading the way for the continent to become more democratic and less intrusive. Brussels will moan, but I suspect the peoples of Europe will be pleased.”
It states: “Year-on-year the EU buys less from Britain because its economies are stagnant and millions of workers are unemployed. According to Mervyn King, the former Bank of England Governor, the Euro ‘might explode’. Brussels' red tape stifles every one of Britain’s 5.4 million businesses, even though only a small minority actually trade with the EU.
“It is business - not government - which generates wealth for the Treasury and jobs for our communities. Outside the EU, British business will be free to grow faster, expand into new markets and create more jobs. It's time to Vote Leave and take back control.”
Meanwhile, Lord Farmer, the former Treasurer of the Conservative Party and founder of Red Kite Group, who is also a signatory of the letter has written for this newspaper’s website to say that warnings of the risk of a Brexit are “misguided”.
Lord Farmer writes: “Warnings of disaster if we leave are misguided. Britain, the world’s fifth-biggest economy, should be confident that others will want to trade freely with it especially if, like the EU, they already do so. Europe has a surplus of nearly £70bn with us and no reason to put up barriers.
“Nor will EU countries want to restrict their access to the London markets. Canary Wharf alone does more business than Frankfurt and we are Europe’s financial outlet to the world. Everyone benefits when London booms.
“We can see the possibility now for a bright new beginning. By voting to leave, we will be taking back democracy and this will benefit everyone. By ending a decades-old deception, we will be leading the way for the continent to become more democratic and less intrusive. Brussels will moan, but I suspect the peoples of Europe will be pleased.”
The Greeks have been fleecing the EU for well over a decade before the abuse of their own tax system on a national scale caught up with them. I have no sympathy with them whatsoever in terms of the austerity imposed as they are getting everything they deserve.
Never said it was a fact, immigration being good/bad is only a matter of an opinion
As for the Eu making it worse for Greece that is purely opinion. You have provided no facts to say that it has made it worse for Greece
Tell the innocent Greek people that who are struggling to live and find jobs. I feel for them I really do. We are in the EU along with 27 other countries and the EU decides to **** on the innocent people of Greece. We put in more than what we get out of the EU. If we remained in the EU and we fall in hard times, will the EU stand by and watch us sink like they have treated Greece or will they help? We all know the answer so why be run and governed by them?
If we were not in the EU now and we were voting now to join the EU or remain out of it, just my opinion but I think remain out of it would easily win the vote. Therefore if remain wins on Thursday/Friday, it will only be down to the leaving is going into the unknown for a lot of people.
There it is, the elephant in the room and the arrogance of the blinkered (Lord Farmer and cronies).
The sole reason that Britain is the 5th biggest economy in the world, is "the city" It accounts for a large percentage of the 78% of "services" that completely dominant the GDP of this country. Without it, Nigeria, Sweden, Argentina, Turkey and even Oz are bigger than the UK
https://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2015-data-and-charts
The Brexit campaign is very much based on most of our eggs in one basket and when (not if) the city is upstaged, we are proper screwed....
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The EU didn't **** on Greece, they shat on themselves by their systematic abuse of their own tax system which basically let them declare as much or as little as they pleased..
I never said you did say it was a fact about immigration. What you said was clearly your opinion as it certainly not a fact because its wrong. Its wrong to say uncontrolled immigration is not a massive issue. You have said many times that those who want to leave is due to immigration. Why do you think that is? Because it is a massive issue.
As for providing facts about the EU making it worse forGreece, I dont need to. If you have had your head burried in the sand, thats not my issue. Look it up for yourself. The FACTS are all there. Even prem has said himself "I have no sympathy with them whatsoever in terms of the austerity imposed". Why dont you ask him what he means if you dont accept what im saying or too busy to look it up for yourself
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