Off Topic European Debate Thread

Im not talking about the Greek politicians. Im talking about the innocent Greek people. The EU didnt have to make it harder for them. The innocent people are the ones paying for it all. Where is the EU's compassion for them? Nothing but **** from the EU on them. You got the phrase kicking someone when they are down, well the EU are doing that to a whole nation of innocent people.

 

There has been some bullshit scaremongering again on here so I have to post this again.

 

Don't get it, NORWAY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE EU so how can they lose something that they never had...?

Plus, they ended up joining (on the EU's terms) anyway....!!

 

They had a referendum to join the EU. Like we are having a referendum to leave the EU. The scare tactics used there are remarkably similar to what we have seen here, dont you think?

 

When did it do that then??

"Although the Kingdom of Norway is not a member state of the European Union (EU), it is closely associated with the Union through its membership in the European Economic Area (EEA), in the context of being a European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member"

 

But they effectively joined in the "solution" anyway so this totally defeats your argument

 

That isn't the argument is it.. the point is the uncannily similar scaremongering used..

 

Try this...

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-norway/

In theory, Norway can refuse to implement an EU law it’s supposed to follow, but doesn’t

The EEA Agreement does give Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein a ‘right of reservation’ which allows them not to implement an EU law they would otherwise be required to.

Norway has only formally invoked it once.

It did so in 2011 over the third Postal Services Directive, which sought to open up the delivery of letters to competition.

To put this into perspective, in 2014 Norway implemented 627 EU laws.

The right of reservation may be used so rarely because the EU can suspend the “affected part” of the Agreement in response.

 

Whats that got to do with Norway not being a member of the EU..

Do you work in an education establishment Prem?

 

What are you talking about? Myself and Banksy have made it clear its about the scare tactics. How have your response defeat our argument?

 

Norway is not in the EU but they might as well be as they are as much EU bitches as the rest of us. Their own competancies review stated what a crap deal they arranged for themselves


In theory, Norway can refuse to implement an EU law it’s supposed to follow, but doesn’t

The EEA Agreement does give Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein a ‘right of reservation’ which allows them not to implement an EU law they would otherwise be required to.

Norway has only formally invoked it once.

It did so in 2011 over the third Postal Services Directive, which sought to open up the delivery of letters to competition.

To put this into perspective, in 2014 Norway implemented 627 EU laws.

The right of reservation may be used so rarely because the EU can suspend the “affected part” of the Agreement in response.

Professor Chalmers says that this is a strong countermeasure that will, in many instances, mean shutting down EU market access in the sector.

In 2013, after much pressure from the EU, Norway lifted its reservation over the Postal Services Directive.

The other weakness of the right of reservation is that it can only be invoked when laws are being brought in.

 

**** sake, it may or may not implement EU law.

Bottom line is it is NOT a member of the EU..

 

I'll try again...

"Although the Kingdom of Norway is NOT a member state of the European Union (EU), it is closely associated with the Union through its membership in the European Economic Area (EEA), in the context of being a European Free Trade Association (EFTA) member"

I am reading that correctly yeah?? It does say NOT a member of the EU doesn't it??

 

Why are you going on about Norway for if they are in or out of the EU? The clip about Norway used by Banksy is to show you the scare tactics used in their referendum is the same stuff used in our referendum. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

He's taken up MTGs tactics of answering a question that no one asked and ignoring the ones that were asked!

 

**** sake, read it again...

In theory, Norway can refuse to implement an EU law it’s supposed to follow, but doesn’t

Norway has only formally invoked its right of reservation once in 2011 over the third Postal Services Directive, which sought to open up the delivery of letters to competition.To put this into perspective, in 2014 Norway implemented 627 EU laws. In 2013, after much pressure from the EU, Norway lifted its reservation over the Postal Services Directive.

 

FORGET NORWAY.

 

Its irrelevant Prem.

You said this..

They didn't, they are not members of the EU, its that simple....

 

Night all

 

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Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
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ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
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UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
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Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Think carefully - deal with the facts not the what ifs from the scaremongers.