If there's no Change then why are leave saying that if we leave it will change
Off Topic European Debate Thread
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****s sake!
Why don't you try bankrupt countries like Greece tied in to Euro financial rules.
Or massive social unrest throughout Europe due to uncontrolled immigration.
For starters!
Ask Greece.
Ask Spain.
Ask a lot of other countries within the EU.
How about this then....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168
My favourite part was this bit....
David Cameron has angrily insisted the UK will not pay £1.7bn being demanded by the European Union.
"If people think I am paying that bill on 1 December, they have another think coming," the prime minister said in Brussels. "It is not going to happen."
What happened in the end? Cameron paid it. The EU ladies and gents.
Brilliant!
David Cameron is a two faced liar that will do anything to save his own little cronies..
My Grandparents on both sides of the family are voting out, so that's 4 pensioners telling him to **** off, should hear the rest
TTIP was debated on this thread previously, here is an update and for those who wish to protect the NHS I suggest you read it thoroughly.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...main-Leave-referendum-Brussels-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...main-Leave-referendum-Brussels-European-Union
More from Cameron on the EU refarding that £1.7 billion bill from the EU....
Mr Cameron said he was "downright angry" and said the British public would find the "vast" sum "totally unacceptable. It is an unacceptable way for this organisation to work - to suddenly present a bill like this for such a vast sum of money with so little time to pay it," he said. "It is an unacceptable way to treat a country which is one of the biggest contributors to the EU."
Mr Cameron said he wanted to examine how the EU had come up with the bill and his position was backed by several other European leaders whose countries are also being tapped for more money, claiming his Italian counterpart Matteo Renzi had described the demands as a "lethal weapon".
This EU sounds like the perfect organisation that we want to be ran by
Mr Cameron said he was "downright angry" and said the British public would find the "vast" sum "totally unacceptable. It is an unacceptable way for this organisation to work - to suddenly present a bill like this for such a vast sum of money with so little time to pay it," he said. "It is an unacceptable way to treat a country which is one of the biggest contributors to the EU."
Mr Cameron said he wanted to examine how the EU had come up with the bill and his position was backed by several other European leaders whose countries are also being tapped for more money, claiming his Italian counterpart Matteo Renzi had described the demands as a "lethal weapon".
This EU sounds like the perfect organisation that we want to be ran by
TTIP leaks
Greenpeace Netherlands has released secret TTIP negotiation documents. We have done so to provide much needed transparency and trigger an informed debate on the treaty. This treaty is threatening to have far reaching implications for the environment and the lives of more than 800 million citizens in the EU and US.
Whether you care about environmental issues, animal welfare, labour rights or internet privacy, you should be concerned about what is in these leaked documents. They underline the strong objections civil society and millions of people around the world have voiced: TTIP is about a huge transfer of power from people to big business.
Documents can be found here.
https://www.ttip-leaks.org
Greenpeace Netherlands has released secret TTIP negotiation documents. We have done so to provide much needed transparency and trigger an informed debate on the treaty. This treaty is threatening to have far reaching implications for the environment and the lives of more than 800 million citizens in the EU and US.
Whether you care about environmental issues, animal welfare, labour rights or internet privacy, you should be concerned about what is in these leaked documents. They underline the strong objections civil society and millions of people around the world have voiced: TTIP is about a huge transfer of power from people to big business.
Documents can be found here.
https://www.ttip-leaks.org
TTIP will be so bad for us. The NHS along with many other services will be gone due to this. Obama told us that we (the UK) will be put to the back of the line if we leave the EU. Thats exactly where we need to be - as far away as possible from the TTIP.
The EU's reply to Cameron refusing to pay that £1.7 billion bill....
But Mr Barroso, who steps down as Commission president next month, said the bill should not "have come as a surprise". He said the UK's contribution had fallen in 2008 under the same mechanism.
"Of course I understand the concerns it has raised in London, but any person that wants to look at them with objectivity and honesty to the rules that were approved by the member states has to accept that sometimes these decisions happen," he told reporters in Brussels.
Pushed as to what would happen if the UK did not pay, he said: "I cannot speculate on non-payment.
"We cannot have a negotiation about the GDP of different countries... this should be left to independent statistics authorities."
He added that Eurostat, the EU statistics authority, which had come up with the calculation, was itself an independent body.
Im sorry remainers but voting to stay in bed with this lot, you may as well sell your soul to the devil himself.
But Mr Barroso, who steps down as Commission president next month, said the bill should not "have come as a surprise". He said the UK's contribution had fallen in 2008 under the same mechanism.
"Of course I understand the concerns it has raised in London, but any person that wants to look at them with objectivity and honesty to the rules that were approved by the member states has to accept that sometimes these decisions happen," he told reporters in Brussels.
Pushed as to what would happen if the UK did not pay, he said: "I cannot speculate on non-payment.
"We cannot have a negotiation about the GDP of different countries... this should be left to independent statistics authorities."
He added that Eurostat, the EU statistics authority, which had come up with the calculation, was itself an independent body.
Im sorry remainers but voting to stay in bed with this lot, you may as well sell your soul to the devil himself.
So the scaremongers have been at it before!!
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Tim Loughton MP
"It is becoming increasingly obvious to young people, who are more outward looking, more independent and more internationalist than ever before, that a vote to remain in the EU is a step back into the past, which is so at odds with the freedoms, innovation and internationalism that they take for granted today."
Darren Grimes Student
"I look forward to a brighter future for all of my generation and those to come, in a liberal, prosperous, free-trading, open and global Britain - unshackled from political wedlock with a restrictive European Union and an unstable Eurozone."
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"It is becoming increasingly obvious to young people, who are more outward looking, more independent and more internationalist than ever before, that a vote to remain in the EU is a step back into the past, which is so at odds with the freedoms, innovation and internationalism that they take for granted today."
Darren Grimes Student
"I look forward to a brighter future for all of my generation and those to come, in a liberal, prosperous, free-trading, open and global Britain - unshackled from political wedlock with a restrictive European Union and an unstable Eurozone."
I don't think that uncontrolled immigration is a massive issue tbh
Also I believe that Greece's circumstances are more to do with having the Euro then the EU
The Telegraph backs #Brexit: 'Vote leave to benefit from a world of opportunity'
"In supporting a vote to leave, we are not harking back to a Britannic golden age lost in the mists of time but looking forward to a new beginning for our country. We are told it is a choice between fear and hope. If that is the case, then we choose hope.
In the event, and despite the optimism of our editorial, Jan 1, 1973 turned out not to be a sunshine day for the UK after all. On Thursday, the country has another opportunity to lift the clouds. We must take it."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/vote-leave-to-benefit-from-a-…/
#EURef [HASHTAG]#Brexit[/HASHTAG] #VoteLeave
"In supporting a vote to leave, we are not harking back to a Britannic golden age lost in the mists of time but looking forward to a new beginning for our country. We are told it is a choice between fear and hope. If that is the case, then we choose hope.
In the event, and despite the optimism of our editorial, Jan 1, 1973 turned out not to be a sunshine day for the UK after all. On Thursday, the country has another opportunity to lift the clouds. We must take it."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/vote-leave-to-benefit-from-a-…/
#EURef [HASHTAG]#Brexit[/HASHTAG] #VoteLeave
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