Off Topic European Debate Thread

The same people who said joining the euro and getting rid of the pound was a good idea. Sorry, when remainers use these people to try and back up their argument, that just convinces me more that leave is the right thing to do.

 

Cliftonville, this wasn't a swipe at you - this was responding to Redprintt's statement that I was pathetic and dithering because I hadn't made up my mind definitively yet.
As for me - I don't follow any 'wing' - I read the Mail to get a right wing view and the Guardian to get a left wing view. I then make up my own mind - which is what I am trying to do now.
I envy those who made their minds up quickly on this - it must be very comfortable for them.

 

Again you have simply avoided answering questions.

What was the utopia you were referring to? As somebody who intends to vote out I would like to see whatever it is you are stating these brexit persons are asserting will happen.

Regarding trade agreements. The pro leave camp has mooted doing what is best for the UK, be that in line with Australia, Canada etc, or creating something entirely new. Agreements that operate minus having to absorb millions into society. Capital always finds a way, and the likes of Goldman Sachs and other multinationals will continue to trade and invest if their support of remain does not bear fruit.

The head of the bank of England is in my view the most qualified man in Britain to talk about financial effects ... And a previous now more independent head took a overtly negative different view.

Your earlier quote. Most foreign investors back change as do most economists ... What change?

As for restrictions on products sold to the EU. All the "red tape" such as dimensions and safety regulations will have to be applied to anything on its way to being sold in the Eu ... Yes they are challenges. Challenges that an industrious race and the market would overcome, but in an area such as say cosmetics industry standards would not be abandoned, they are often universal from multinational to continent and onwards - source my other half who jets of around the world flogging smelly stuff.

A polite repeated question. Can you explain what workers rights are at risk if the UK leaves the EU? Maternity rights? Sick pay? What?

You have also expressed an idea that utilities and industries can be nationalised for a greater good. How would you achieve this given the EU is clearly heading towards privatisation of nationalised industries?

 

If you got questions, put them down here and ask both sides to respond to them. That might help you

 

I envy those who made their minds up quickly on this - it must be very comfortable for them.

Ten years ago I was pro EU as I was under an illusion that somehow it was a defence v big business, right wing economics, profit before people ... It is not.

I work in a caring profession where things are getting worse and worse while in this EU. My decision was swift and simple. All these arguments about trade ... We are already failing the disabled and the elderly and some will vote to make that worse. I will not.

 

You cannot fob off stuff to the EU if it doesn't meet their standards, it simply would not take it.

Eu laws such as not being able to sack a worker for refusing to work more than 48 hours a week, sick pay, maternity pay and holiday are under threat. I'm not saying they will all go but the Eu guarantees these rights. I can see future governments scrapping or reducing the above particularly the 48 hour rule.

For me whilst I would like to see some industries industrialised, I can't see us ever deciding to renationalise stuff apart from maybe railways in the long term and so I'm not bothered by this issue

 

Do you not think that strains are down to cuts by the government?

 

In theory the Euro was a good idea. However it failed because monetary policies varied and you had too many developing countries spending too much due to initial low interests.

The Eu is much broader than a currency and so the Euro debate is a different matter in my opinion.

 

Maybe staying in the EU is a "good idea" like the Euro was apparently. Maybe staying in the EU could fail too like the Euro has.

 

You cannot fob off stuff to the EU if it doesn't meet their standards, it simplywould not take it. "

So your saying we would punished by having to comply with the same regulations we do now? I would suggest that would mean no change then!

 

Im not surprised to see how many small businesses want to leave. They get rid of a lot of the red tape that they have now and they know they will still be able to trade with the EU but can also trade with the rest of the world so they can expand their businesses. Makes sense to me.

 

One for the undecideds John Oliver on Brexit, very funny

 

Has he spent 7 weeks avoiding answering the pertinent questions asked of him whilst repeatedly saying the same old rubbish over and over again despite having real facts pointed out to him to counteract his point?

Hilarious!

 

Cameron now begging pensioners that when they make their decision to think about the youths. He knows he cant win the pensioners over after recent events so he is asking them to think of the kids. This guy makes me sick. Shame on those who not only voted him in but kept him too.

 

Sounds like someone we know

 

Exactly...

 

Its not a different matter when you are using a comparison as an example from people who are currently saying we must stay in the EU or else our world will fall apart, who are the same people who were saying if we don't join the Euro our world will fall apart.

They were wrong then and it is being pointed out to you on numerous occasions that they may well be wrong now!

 

Are the undecided on here suppose to make their minds up due to your imaginings?

 

I don't see the Eu failure and I can't see disastrous consequences of the EU failing, could you name any?