Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[Tobes]

There's a number of signatures required for them to have to debate it I think?

No, they've ****ed it clean off, here's the response on the petition;

The Petitions Committee decided not to debate this petition
The Petitions Committee decided not to schedule a debate on this petition because it doesn’t have the power to schedule a debate on the type of motion that could trigger a general election.


The Government and Prime Minister have never sought to mislead the public. Nonetheless, the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, which came into force in 2011 under the Coalition Government, removed the power to set the general election date, and therefore to call an early general election, from the Government and gave a power to the House of Commons to call an early general election in certain circumstances.
An early general election can only be called under the Act if either a motion (as worded in section 2(2) of the Act) that there shall be an early parliamentary general election is passed by the House of Commons with at least two thirds in favour of the motion; or if a motion of no confidence (as worded in section 2(4) of the Act) is passed by the House of Commons and the House does not pass a motion of confidence (as worded in section 2(5) of the Act) in the Government or an alternative Government within 14 days. Aside from these triggers there is no way to replace the Government through an early General Election.

 

[luvgonzo]

No, they've ****ed it clean off, here's the response on the petition;

The Petitions Committee decided not to debate this petition
The Petitions Committee decided not to schedule a debate on this petition because it doesn’t have the power to schedule a debate on the type of motion that could trigger a general election.


The Government and Prime Minister have never sought to mislead the public. Nonetheless, the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, which came into force in 2011 under the Coalition Government, removed the power to set the general election date, and therefore to call an early general election, from the Government and gave a power to the House of Commons to call an early general election in certain circumstances.
An early general election can only be called under the Act if either a motion (as worded in section 2(2) of the Act) that there shall be an early parliamentary general election is passed by the House of Commons with at least two thirds in favour of the motion; or if a motion of no confidence (as worded in section 2(4) of the Act) is passed by the House of Commons and the House does not pass a motion of confidence (as worded in section 2(5) of the Act) in the Government or an alternative Government within 14 days. Aside from these triggers there is no way to replace the Government through an early General Election.

Thanks Tobes. ****ing sick of these twats Boris is next PM no doubt that's terrifying.

 

[petersaxton]

So you don't mind if the economy of the UK declines as long as it's still better than Europe's? Isn't that a bit like a Sheffield United fan saying that they don't mind getting relegated as long as they finish above Sheffield Wednesday?

The Remain campaign reminds me of the Sheffield Wednesday fans. Before the match they were discussing face painting and inflatables and how they had a right to get promoted. Hull City comprehensively dominated them and it was only due to a good goalkeeping display and the usual poor finishing that we only won 1-0. Afterwards the Sheffield Wednesday fans said they were proud of how all the fans stayed in their places to watch their players collect their losers medals when in reality they didn't even wait for Hull City players to collect the trophy and medals.
The only difference is most of the lies by the Remainers were before the main even and the childishness was afterwards.
They feel on safer ground now by commenting on events that wont happen until well in the future. They'll be proved wrong in the future but they are wrong now.

 

[petersaxton]

There's a number of signatures required for them to have to debate it I think?

100k but it was a petition that didnt fall within the rules.

 

[Tobes]

Thanks Tobes. ****ing sick of these twats Boris is next PM no doubt that's terrifying.

If it wasn't so terrifying it'd be hilarious.

The man is a bumbling buffoon, but probably representative of the Nation at present.

 

[Sweats]

What a ****ing choice that is?

They should have an election, no way should anyone just take over like this, the American system with a vice president is better.

We vote for a party. No different to Gordon brown taking over from Blair.

I personally want boris to get it now. See him bumble his way through it all. And see him squirm when he meets merkel. The only positive about virus is he know ms how to look after London. As without the money it generates we'd all be ****ed.

 

[Archers Road]

Or maybe he want control of our borders,. The influx we are now getting is too many to fast for us to cope with.

I don't see it that way. I live in London, and in my borough (Haringey) I probably am in a bit of a minority being a white English Londoner whose parents were also born in London. I have absolutely no problem with that. Neither does my son or my niece and nephew, nor my cousins kids; and it's their future we just betrayed because thick racist mongs from the ****hole towns freak out when a Polski Sklep opens up between Poundland and Betfred.

 

[NSIS]

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So, let me get this straight... the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they'd all done nothing to help them.

Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn't lose, did - but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who'd always thought he'd lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash - and he was, but it did, but he's not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can't become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead.

Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party's view of this view is the opposite of the opposition's. And the opposition aren't yet opposing anything because the leader isn't listening to his party, who aren't listening to the country, who aren't listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there's not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if any one ever does do it, it will be awful.

Clear?

Perfectly!...

 

[petersaxton]

I don't see it that way. I live in London, and in my borough (Haringey) I probably am in a bit of a minority being a white English Londoner whose parents were also born in London. I have absolutely no problem with that. Neither does my son or my niece and nephew, nor my cousins kids; and it's their future we just betrayed because thick racist mongs from the ****hole towns freak out when a Polski Sklep opens up between Poundland and Betfred.

When I moved to London 40 odd years ago I was in an economics night class and the lecturer decided to ask questions about the UK. None of the Londoners had a clue where any place was outside London. Their lack of knowledge was frightening.

 

[NSIS]

Remainers still name calling while the Conservative Party gets on with electing a leader. It shows the divisions in the country. Statesmanlike behaviour from one side and immature name calling from the other side. It's clear who is ahead and will progress and who is stuck in the nursery.

I accept that the Conservative party is in power. But a choice between those two wastes of oxygen for PM, is no choice at all!...

 

[petersaxton]

I accept that the Conservative party is in power. But a choice between those two wastes of oxygen for PM, is no choice at all!...

I'm sure the more sensible people who vote on these things will make a good choice of the next leader of the Conservative Part.

 

[Archers Road]

When I moved to London 40 odd years ago I was in an economics night class and the lecturer decided to ask questions about the UK. None of the Londoners had a clue when any place was outside London. Their lack of knowledge was frightening.

I still don't know where Lichtenstein is, so perhaps you're right.

 

[Tobes]

Remainers still name calling while the Conservative Party gets on with electing a leader. It shows the divisions in the country. Statesmanlike behaviour from one side and immature name calling from the other side. It's clear who is ahead and will progress and who is stuck in the nursery.

Statesmanlike?

You mean the PM chucking his teddy the morning after the vote and since refusing to action article 50 - as he said he would - and instead lobbing the grenade for Boris to catch?

Oh aye, positively statesmanlike that.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

Lichtenstein is just below Stuttgart

I knew that honest

 

[Smirnoffpriest]

The thing I don't get about the talk about the influx of foreigners getting too much and we can't talk is a) people in this country voted for a party that has cut public services to the bone and is strangling the NHS to death so they can privatise it - they knew that would happen when they voted for them so why blame anyone else? This party has also created a mental health crisis through cuts, killed tens of thousands of disabled people, forced millions to food banks and created a affordable housing crisis.

b) we have an aging population as the baby boomers retire, people live longer and have less children. I've heard it said that we need 7 working people to pay enough taxes for each pension claiming pensioner. We had a crisis in the late 90s going through to the early 00s where we didn't have enough working age people in the country. Particularly as a greater number of graduates/young professionals are moving abroad to work. We need to import working age people to cover this gap. Of course this raises the population even more, but without them we'd face even bigger problems with higher taxes for working age people to cover the cost of the non-tax paying OAPs (besides things like VAT ect).

As such a big reason our population is increasing is because people are living longer and we have an aging population which needs an influx of working age people to balance out. This is borne out by the massive benefit immigrants bring to our economy (£8bn reportedly).

But none of this matters as we've just voted to get rid of our veto for the Schengen area and for Free Movement, so we need to go back to the drawing board to negotiate a deal with a stronger partner who we've just peed off.

 

[petersaxton]

Statesmanlike?

You mean the PM chucking his teddy the morning after the vote and since refusing to action article 50 - as he said he would - and instead lobbing the grenade for Boris to catch?

Oh aye, positively statesmanlike that.

It makes sense that if you are resigning then the important decisions should be made by your successor. I dont expect you to understand that. But it's how sensible people behave.

 

[Fez]

Panning out in what respect?

The short term markets or the long term holistic economic situation the Nation will find itself in once it finally actions article 50?

Now is a good place to start, as that is what we have been discussing, but if you want to touch on what you think will happen when we trigger Article 50, then that is fine - after all, it will only be an opinion, won't it?

 

[Stan]

So why do you think that it is a "shambles" that he has decided to stand?

Tory party in chaos. Hilarious.

 

[petersaxton]

The thing I don't get about the talk about the influx of foreigners getting too much and we can't talk is a) people in this country voted for a party that has cut public services to the bone and is strangling the NHS to death so they can privatise it - they knew that would happen when they voted for them so why blame anyone else? This party has also created a mental health crisis through cuts, killed tens of thousands of disabled people, forced millions to food banks and created a affordable housing crisis.

b) we have an aging population as the baby boomers retire, people live longer and have less children. I've heard it said that we need 7 working people to pay enough taxes for each pension claiming pensioner. We had a crisis in the late 90s going through to the early 00s where we didn't have enough working age people in the country. Particularly as a greater number of graduates/young professionals are moving abroad to work. We need to import working age people to cover this gap. Of course this raises the population even more, but without them we'd face even bigger problems with higher taxes for working age people to cover the cost of the non-tax paying OAPs (besides things like VAT ect).

As such a big reason our population is increasing is because people are living longer and we have an aging population which needs an influx of working age people to balance out. This is borne out by the massive benefit immigrants bring to our economy (£8bn reportedly).

But none of this matters as we've just voted to get rid of our veto for the Schengen area and for Free Movement, so we need to go back to the drawing board to negotiate a deal with a stronger partner who we've just peed off.

To just choose one point: how are the government "strangling the NHS to death"?

 

[petersaxton]

Tory party in chaos. Hilarious.

"PM resigns - cabinet minister makes bid to be elected as PM"
How do you translate that as "Tory party in chaos"?
Oh, you mean being democratic?
I'm glad nobody respects your opinion. It seems to be upside down when compared to all sensible people.