Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?
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It would seem sensible (to me anyway) that as we move out of the EU which is one of the most important and historic changes this country has ever seen, we do that with someone that the people in the UK have elected as Prime Minister. Just my opinion.
So you've basically resorted to calling anyone who disagrees with you stupid. Well done Pete. You're 64 years old!
Really? wtf???? You haven't countered any of my points. You just insult me. It isn't my fault that you can't see the blatant obviousness that the Tories are privatizing the NHS and have actually privatised more this time than during the Thatcher years and have done more than Tony Blair. It was either Boris or Gove who admitted on the day of the results that the NHS would need privatising . Not sure who you will blame when it happens?
The Tories have cut funding to the NHS, all they have done is changed the goal posts to not include social care in the budget and not taken into account inflation, so some people will think that they haven't, even though the evidence is there for all to see (if you'd just look).
It really is shocking that you hold this view that the Tories are increasing funding in the NHS, despite all evidence. But fair enough if you wish to believe that then we'll just have to leave it here and there seems little point in continuing the conversation.
Effectively at a general election people vote along party lines. The same party is still in control.
Your seem to be incapable of understanding something very simple. It's not whether somebody agrees with me or not. It is about failing to understand what I said.
I said that people from London in the class didnt know where places were outside London.
He thought that meant that I was saying that everybody in London didn't know where places were. He also didnt seem to understand the distinction between people in London in the class - who didn't know where places were - and people from outside London - who did know where places were.
It's quite obvious you are somebody who can't think straight either. It's not an issue of opinions it's an issue of basic logic.
So that means they are spending even more on a smaller part of the NHS!
You can't call that "strangling".
Modern world fella, all parties talk ****e and make promises that they will not keep. People vote for the figurehead, put the right person up there and he'll win. At the end of it all we have someone who represents us on the world stage, we did not vote for May or Johnson to do that. Call an election so that we are lead out of Europe by an elected PM. It make sense to me, you may disagree.
What about cabinet ministers? Should we have a general election whenever a cabinet minister changes? Or when we introduce a new policy? It's totally impracticable to be having elections and referendums all the time. The Conservative Party is having a leadership election for the next couple of months and then we will get on with dealing with the major issues of government after the change of direction due to the referendum result. I find it laughable that somebody said it was "chaos" because Gove is standing for PM. I wonder what he thinks about what's happening in the Labour Party?
It's called "being sensible". Whereas some of you lot dont seem to understand a simple sentence: I refer to "all Londoners in an economics class" and he thinks that means "all Londoners" and "all people in the class whether Londoners or not". I know the education of this country has fallen apart since the campaign against the grammar schools but it is shocking that these people have such a lack of ability.
The markets appear calm but there'll still be massive volatility dependant on statements, Q4 forecasts, news on external investments, job losses, politicians comments etc etc etc.
However, there now appears to be a vague timeline in place, during which nothing will drastically change - as we're currently still an EU state and it would appear that this will be the case until a Bill is put before the House in November.
What happens after Article 50 is actually invoked is imo another huge fall in the value of the pound and the markets tanking in the short term at least.
Post that it depends on how quickly a deal to access the free market is done.
Let's be 100% clear, we must have access to the free market, as it accounts for virtually half of our exports, including circa 30% of the total EU financial services sector. The EU leaders have made 2 things crystal clear so far;
1. Negotiations will not commence until we trigger article 50
2. That access to the free market will not be gained without free movement of people an a tariff being paid.
The second point is deemed by the Tories as the prime reason why the UK voted as it did, therefore that suggests that it's a political no, no, to simply accept this demand. So where will that leave us? If we reach a complete stalemate over the free movement issue, then it could take literally years to conclude a deal. A deal that didn't include free movement could either be veto'd by the member states or the compromise could be that we pay a colossal tariff in exchange for some limits on numbers, albeit that solution would go against the fundamental principle of the EU free movement ideal.
Since this referendum was announced global businesses have largely been holding back on capital investment schemes in the UK. As what's the point in setting up a base in Europe when the country you're seeking to base yourself in might not have free access to the huge market that you're seeking to penetrate?
For the entirety of this process that will continue. Worse than that, businesses who are currently based here might consider relocating their facilities to EU member states if the negotiations become protracted and it appears doubtful that a free trade agreement is going to be reached. The likes of Siemens, Vodaphone and Ryanair have already spoken openly about it. Longer term, why would the likes of Nissan continue to build cars in Sunderland for the EU market? Why would the financial sector base itself in London, Leeds or Edinburgh if it can't sell it's services to it's prime market without a tariff?
The longer it goes on, the worse it would get. As GDP would fall, unemployment rise, public services would be cut, taxes would have to be increased, disposable income would drop resulting in yet more contraction of the domestic economy as spending falls. A weak pound would make imports more costly and we have a trade deficit, so inflation increases, putting pressure on the BoE to increase interest rates....it goes on and on. That is as I see it.
The only way to avoid it, is to do a prompt deal with the EU that goes against the primary reason that the Leave vote was carried.
Of course not and to suggest that I'm even considering that is silly. As I said this is one of the most important times in this countries history it should not be dealt with by an unelected PM.
To be clear if Cameron stepped down through ill health then the normal process would be fine but this is beyond the norm and the country should have a say in who leads us through this important process. If it's decide Boris I'm fine with that.
If May does become PM, she has said we need to set out details before brexit is started at the end of the year, so that may steady the ship a bit
Boris has just stood down and isn't going for leadership - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672591
That guardian post is so true and shows Boris hasn't got the balls to touch the poisoned Brexit/Article 50 chalice with a bargepole!
That guardian post is so true and shows Boris hasn't got the balls to touch the poisoned Brexit/Article 50 chalice with a bargepole!
Of course and this is then presented and implimented by the person who is put in as Prime Minister.
Don't see this as a person who voted in wanting Boris out, I'm concerned by Brexit but democracy has spoken and 'm not on here bitching about the result.
I feel that the next 2 years is one of the most important times in the counties history and feel we should vote for the person to lead us through this period.
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