Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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petersaxton said:
Your seem to be incapable of understanding something very simple. It's not whether somebody agrees with me or not. It is about failing to understand what I said.
I said that people from London in the class didnt know where places were outside London.
He thought that meant that I was saying that everybody in London didn't know where places were. He also didnt seem to understand the distinction between people in London in the class - who didn't know where places were - and people from outside London - who did know where places were.
It's quite obvious you are somebody who can't think straight either. It's not an issue of opinions it's an issue of basic logic.
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So you're denying that you've resorted to insults by chucking out an insult. Nice one Pete, I hope I'm as wise as you when I'm 64 (sorry Paul)!

Hull Grammar School's finest!
 
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petersaxton said:
What about cabinet ministers? Should we have a general election whenever a cabinet minister changes? Or when we introduce a new policy? It's totally impracticable to be having elections and referendums all the time. The Conservative Party is having a leadership election for the next couple of months and then we will get on with dealing with the major issues of government after the change of direction due to the referendum result. I find it laughable that somebody said it was "chaos" because Gove is standing for PM. I wonder what he thinks about what's happening in the Labour Party?
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Chaos.

As was widely predicted.
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
He'll be back , I am sure of it .
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It'll be hard. His support was in London and they've turned on him. The rest of the country have and always will consider him a buffoon. The fact he's not standing suggests that he also lacks support within the Tory party.

As things stand he's committed career suicide.

Still, he's good on HIGNFY.
 
petersaxton said:
So that means they are spending even more on a smaller part of the NHS!
You can't call that "strangling".
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To use your phrase to Stan "Your seem to be incapable of understanding something very simple". But as I said, if you believe that the Tories are giving the NHS more money, then fair play. I'm happy to stop discussing this with you and leave you with your beliefs. <ok>
 
Son of Stan said:
It'll be hard. His support was in London and they've turned on him. The rest of the country have and always will consider him a buffoon. The fact he's not standing suggests that he also lacks support within the Tory party.

As things stand he's committed career suicide.

Still, he's good on HIGNFY.
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I hope you are right , but he has always seemed quite smart to me , he has been stabbed in the back , but I think we have not heard the last from him in a strong political position . We will see .
 
luvgonzo said:
It would seem sensible (to me anyway) that as we move out of the EU which is one of the most important and historic changes this country has ever seen, we do that with someone that the people in the UK have elected as Prime Minister. Just my opinion.
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Exactly.

The Tory manifesto that they were elected on, included the commitment to a referendum, but not how they would deal with an exit from the EU should that referendum go the way it has.

Therefore they have no mandate regarding what is acceptable and what isn't, in terms of what the deal to exit should look like.

It should be a concern for both sides of this argument.
 
As I said before, I don't think Boris ever believed in Brexit. It was a useful platform to get him a bigger profile outside of London. He thought he'd be the valiant, patriotic loser and he could then run for leadership of the Tory party to take over from Cameron. Winning the referendum ****ed up his master plan and he's now bottled the opportunity to lead the negotiations with the EU as he would have been fighting for something he didn't believe in.

What a fool.
 
luvgonzo said:
Of course not and to suggest that I'm even considering that is silly. As I said this is one of the most important times in this countries history it should not be dealt with by an unelected PM.

To be clear if Cameron stepped down through ill health then the normal process would be fine but this is beyond the norm and the country should have a say in who leads us through this important process. If it's decide Boris I'm fine with that.
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Even if Boris is not standing?
 
Son of Stan said:
As I said before, I don't think Boris ever believed in Brexit. It was a useful platform to get him a bigger profile outside of London. He thought he'd be the valiant, patriotic loser and he could then run for leadership of the Tory party to take over from Cameron. Winning the referendum ****ed up his master plan and he's now bottled the opportunity to lead the negotiations with the EU as he would have been fighting for something he didn't believe in.

What a fool.
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The Conservative Party doesn't like losers so if Boris had lost the referendum he wouldn't have been in the running.
 
Son of Stan said:
As I said before, I don't think Boris ever believed in Brexit. It was a useful platform to get him a bigger profile outside of London. He thought he'd be the valiant, patriotic loser and he could then run for leadership of the Tory party to take over from Cameron. Winning the referendum ****ed up his master plan and he's now bottled the opportunity to lead the negotiations with the EU as he would have been fighting for something he didn't believe in.

What a fool.
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Exactly. I'd add to that, he saw it as an opportunity to appeal to the far right element within the Tory party as a Brucie bonus.

He never expected to win and as you say, he was a remain believer before the political opportunity to further his career appeared.
 
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