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Match Day Thread Eddie's Heroes vs Scouse Mackem Bin Foregers

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  1. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    This to the infinitive! 3 of our starting XI fielded and only 3 who make the bench - so 6 available from 20 player squad we'd normally take actually made the game. It's near impossible to do much with that.

    Despite having 2 additional subs I'd take our bench from the last Championship game ahead of what we had last night:
    '24
    Dubravka
    Krafth, Schar, Burn, Hall
    Longstaff, Bruno, Anderson
    Murphy, Isak, Barnes
    Subs Karius, Gillespie, Dummett, Ritchie, Willock, White, Diallo, Murphy, Parkinson

    '17
    Elliott
    Yedlin, Hayden, Mbemba, Dummett
    Atsu, Shelvey, Colback, Goffran
    Perez, Mitrovic
    Subs: Darlow, Lazaar, Anita, Gayle, Diame, Haidara, D. Murphy
     
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  2. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    But Howe's got 32 players to pick from. How the **** has he managed to oversee 12+ injured, every week, all season? There's luck and there's just poor management.
     
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  3. Toonitus

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    Howe is the managerial equivalent of Custer.... ... whether be can reinvent the way he works is up to him, but if he's sitting with his head up his arse like the fanbase and blaming everything on 'luck' then he is going to change nothing. He needs to figure out another approach because his methods do not work.....the players are being driven into the ground like a tent peg.
     
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  4. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    32?

    He'll have a registered squad of 25 plus a few youth players. Regardless of the injury front you can only go with what you've got and he hasn't got enough.

    2/3 years time it'll be different when there are players of Botman, Bruno, Isak standard across the pitch with players of ability backing the First XI up but
    Dubravka, Krafth, Longstaff, Murphy, Laceslles, Dummett, Burn etc. aren't at that level - they are exactly the types of player we need to get shot of first though to bring in the quality.
     
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  5. Toonitus

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    If Howe couldn't identify that Hall was a better player than Dan Burn I'm asking people what that actually tells us?
     
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  6. Magdad

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    It tells us hall couldn’t defend for ****. That he’s had to work really hard on this part of his game and after all his hard work is ready to push for a spot. My own eyes showed me this earlier in the season when he was all over the shop defensively but looked alright going forward…… but then again I don’t need to look for attention by slagging people off needlessly
     
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  7. Toonitus

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    Don't agree he's already better at defending than other left backs and keeping the ball counts. He's always been ready just like Livramento he's a good player.

    Might I suggest you get some new eyes? Not slagging you off though I just think you might have a permanent case of hay-fever or something. Dan Burn hasn't been defending particularly well has he.

    I'm pretty sure you slagged off Bruce/Hendrick and not in a constructive way either. Can't have it both ways mate and I was merely asking a question not making Howe out to be a bad person and calling him a cabbage.
     
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  8. Roland Deschain

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    <laugh>

    What about the defensive record with Burn at left back? Or just using our eyes and seeing him skinned for pace and targeted week in, week out. If Botman wasn't injured, Burn would still be playing LB. Even if Hall has miraculously only just learned how to be a good left back (despite 12 apps for Chelsea a year ago), that doesn't disguise the fact he would play Burn.

    Howe's always stayed loyal to his plodding "characters". Look at B'mth - Steve Cook in the PL?! Really?! Danjuma just one example of a player with talent having to leave Howe's tutelage to progress. Arrived for £14m, played 15 times. Cook played 31 times as B'mth shipped goals and Howe's back four (and 4-4-2, and subs) stayed almost exactly the same.

    Howe is not dynamic.
     
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  9. Toonitus

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    It's only OK to go after the people the cult go after apparently. The fact is everyone knew Hall was a better player except Howe and magdad.. which is fine, but I'm afraid I'm going to disagree.
     
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  10. Roland Deschain

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    Howe kept talking about how vital Burn was to our "tactic". I'm not entirely sure what the tactic is, other than every other team just put a fast winger on their right and said "go at him" and it worked almost every time.

    If I've got £80m of wing backs, I'd probably think about working out how to get the most out of them. If my defense is one of the worst in the league, I'd probably look at options for getting more protection in there. If my players are dropping like flies, I'd probably look at changing the press and educate players that sprinting 40 yards to close down a goalkeeper statistically does absolutely **** all.

    I think last season, no games and a change in style took opponents by surprise a little. There was a time when Miggy was playing well, Bruno was finding him, things worked. But they MUST change, because opponents adapt. These managers and teams aren't mugs. It's exactly the same with Man City - swept everyone away, Haaland scored a hundred goals. This season? He's more experienced, so they just do it again, right? Of course they ****ing don't, because people mark him better, know his weakness, stay switched on, etc.

    Howe doesn't change a ****ing thing, ever, unless forced to through injury. Something he's got plenty of practice in.
     
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  11. Prince Isak (GG)

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    https://bournemouth.vitalfootball.c...emouth-suffered-so-many-injuries-this-season/

    It would appear this isn’t the first time the injury madness has happened.

    @Dr Van Helsing Have you read this article before?
     
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  12. Toonitus

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    The thing is Howe did a great job last season and this season has been a train crash, so what's wrong with pointing it out ?

    They spent 3 years waiting for Steve Bruce to do worse than Rafa Benitez and that bloke was bullied like I've never seen before. I'm not going to take a lesson in morals from people that unlike myself wouldn't even credit Bruce for his successful seasons.

    Anyway what I'm basically saying is that I believe Howe needs to do things differently because his huff and puff Bielsa like approach has completely failed....hopefully he can do that, but I see no sign of any awareness or acknowledgement that he might even need to.
     
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  13. Toonitus

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    I was aware that this injury situation is a common theme of Howes management history yes.

    Actually it was when I became aware that I made the thread sighting his style of play as an issue and I now have little to no doubt that it is.

    What do you think? Does he need to try a new approach?
     
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  14. Prince Isak (GG)

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    Yes and no.

    I do think it’s a combination as we have all said before.

    The Hall situation I absolutely agree with you on.

    I think we give him the beginning of next season and see what transfers come through.

    Imagine Maldini as the Director of Football.
     
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  15. Toonitus

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    Absolutely it's luck aswel as we've pointed out, but definitely not all luck.

    I would suspect Howe will be replaced if that happens within a year max. The question I'd like to know is how much control Howe has ?
     
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  16. Prince Isak (GG)

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    It’s difficult to say. A manager should have a good say in things but ultimately for me the DoF has the vision and the tools to pull the right strings.

    Get a manager and a DoF working harmoniously and it’s going to work.

    The owners in particular Amanda Jamie and Mehrad should be seen as being powerful and ruthless not soft and cuddly.

    I think there will be a lot of change behind the scenes when a new DoF comes in.

    But Howe should be seen as a means to an end.

    I cannot believe PIF are here to watch us idle on.

    But time will tell.

    We have some prospects as @Darren Peacock’s Ponytail has pointed out and he’s quite right with what’s he’s said about Howe.
     
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  17. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    That article is a great find, GG - but did you also click the link to the forum? The comments are unbelievable:

    Who's "Head of Performance" at Bournemouth in 2019 when these comments were made? Daniel Hodges. Here's his LinkedIn profile - no prizes for guessing where he now works:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-hodges-4a59482a/?trk=public-profile-join-page

    Others from that relegation era at Bournemouth now at Newcastle?

    - Jason Tindall (assistant)
    - Simon Weatherstone (assistant)
    - Stephen Purches (coach)
    - Johnny King (physio)

    Weirdly a lot of people who were involved in the issues of 2019, involved in Newcastle now.
     
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  18. Toonitus

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  19. Roland Deschain

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    Another one - this is a cracker:

     
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  20. Toonitus

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    It should be crystal clear to anyone now.
     
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