Coronavirus

[Solid Air]

My old girl had COPD which was slowly killing her and was hospitalised with it a few times ... got a call from the hospital to take her home but she contracted pneumonia overnight and her condition deteriorated and she passed ... the death certificate listed both COPD and pneumonia as causes of death ... she would have eventually died of COPD anyway, the pneumonia just made it happen sooner ... that is what Covid is doing with underlyings ... so it is not misleading for it to be included or listed as the cause ... for the vast majority of such cases the fatalities would still be living if Covid was absent ... albeit with the clock ticking ....

... as for the Sky reporter ... he would likely have died stupidly anyway and having Covid would be just a bonus

which is what i have been saying
but it is stupid of them to have "muddied the waters" though in the case of your old girl it would still have been included in the final official figures as covid is on the death cert .

 

[Solid Air]

This is very true, and once the true economic cost of this hits, as furlough starts to wind down and unemployment hits between 3.1 - 3.5m (that’s my prediction btw) then this aspect is only going to get far, far worse.

Then there’s the 60%+ drop in cancer diagnosis. That disease has gone nowhere, so there’s a Tsunami of delayed cases there, that due to the time delay will mean much poorer outcomes for patients. Add these to the existing waiting lists for scans and treatments - which are now running into the hundreds of thousands, from a base of circa 15k, then I’m afraid there’s a second wave of tragedy from this, irrespective of the virus itself.

yep i should have had an annual scan back in approx april & have heard nothing yet . Though have to say if they are doing it in the main hospital instead of the offshoot treatment centre not sure i'll go considering the local trusts reputation .

 

[Tobes]

yep i should have had an annual scan back in approx april & have heard nothing yet . Though have to say if they are doing it in the main hospital instead of the offshoot treatment centre not sure i'll go considering the local trusts reputation .

I saw some stats on Peston the other night mate and from memory it was circa 320,000 now on scan waiting lists compared to the standard average of around 15,000. As always, it’ll be a postcode lottery.

 

[Solid Air]

I saw some stats on Peston the other night mate and from memory it was circa 320,000 now on scan waiting lists compared to the standard average of around 15,000. As always, it’ll be a postcode lottery.

tbf in one way i'm not that bothered as i ****ing hate mine as half the tossers that have done it have had as much finesse and pride in their work as your average 1970's BL striker worker.

 

[Tobes]

tbf in one way i'm not that bothered as i ****ing hate mine as half the tossers that have done it have had as much finesse and pride in their work as your average 1970's BL striker worker.

I’d picked on you maybe having some beef with your local trust tbh mate....

 

[Solid Air]

I’d picked on you maybe having some beef with your local trust tbh mate....

oh they certainly employ a lot of useless ****ers though my last stay as an in patient was pretty good tbf .
My beef is that people laud the NHS as this paragon of virtue which seems a strange to me when scandal after scandal keeps coming to light which almost always the NHS have either covered up or just ignored warnings / complaints for years .

 

[pompeymeowth]

Buses, tractors, can all do one. It's all about excess. You gotta say yes, to another excess.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Casinos open August 1st.

Sounds like a gamble.

 

[Archers Road]

Casinos open August 1st.

Sounds like a gamble.

Betting shops already open I believe?

 

[Tobes]

Casinos open August 1st.

Sounds like a gamble.

@BobbyD

 

[remembercolinlee]

Casinos open August 1st.

Sounds like a gamble.

Hope they're not playing roulette with people's health

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

@BobbyD

@DUNCAN DONUTS

 

[BobbyD]

@BobbyD

wrong person tobes. I'm a changed man nowadays although there are around 5 casinos all centered around china town

 

[Treble]

Only heard roday that the laws relating to high risk ppl in self-isolation having the right to stay off work is being scrapped. So if you have a medical condition which makes you susceptible to infection e.g. you're neutropenic, then the employer can then insist you come in.

 

[Tobes]

Only heard roday that the laws relating to high risk ppl in self-isolation having the right to stay off work is being scrapped. So if you have a medical condition which makes you susceptible to infection e.g. you're neutropenic, then the employer can then insist you come in.

What deadline have they put on that mate?

 

[Treble]

What deadline have they put on that mate?

I don't know. Just heard about it on the radio on the drive home. Bit of an extreme move imo.

 

[Treble]

But they said it was being scrapped, not that it had been.

 

[brb]

I don't know. Just heard about it on the radio on the drive home. Bit of an extreme move imo.

PWC were interviewed on TV this morning, in a roundabout subtle way, trying to suggest people should return to work....as in not work from home. It appears it don't help the economy when people work from home. Despite the reporter pointing out, surely you wouldn't need such large offices, falling on deaf ears.

 

[Treble]

PWC were interviewed on TV this morning, in a roundabout subtle way, trying to suggest people should return to work....as in not work from home. It appears it don't help the economy when people work from home. Despite the reporter pointing out, surely you wouldn't need such large offices, falling on deaf ears.

I was listening to a bloke from HMRC on the drive to work who believe it or not said productivity has actually gone up. The fact ppl are working from home, doing the job without the hour or 90 min commute. It's also meant local bars, shops, cafes have also become busier although it's at the expense of major city centres. But I thought the productivity increase was a bit of a surprise.

 

[brb]

I was listening to a bloke from HMRC on the drive to work who believe it or not said productivity has actually gone up. The fact ppl are working from home, doing the job without the hour or 90 min commute. It's also meant local bars, shops, cafes have also become busier although it's at the expense of major city centres. But I thought the productivity increase was a bit of a surprise.

Yeah it was accepted productivity had gone up. Not sure why PWC are worried about City buildings, maybe some self interest there, don't know.