Coronavirus

I'm the left seat,
I'm the left seat,
I'm COVID friendly

I'm the right seat,
I'm the right seat,
I'm COVID friendly

I'm the left seat,
I'm the left seat,
Don't forget to wash your hands

I'm the right seat,
I'm the right seat,
Stay 2 metres away from me

 

... not in this series ...

 

Bums on seats?

 

Some clubs won't even make October.

 

If you died having Covid then it is likely that it has accelerated your death, even if what actually killed you in the end was an existing underlying illness ... so this current bleating is smoke and mirrors to a large extent.

The excess deaths figure is the only true measure for me ...

... reanalysing the deaths of those that died whilst having Covid is missing the real point ... our infection numbers were scandalously high due to the government's complacency and failure to act quickly and decisively from the outset ... a PR exercise to try and discount some fatalities after the event is laughable...

... climbs down from soapbox.

 

Did I hear this SKY reporter correctly?...

He said, if he went for a test, and that test came back positive. If the next day, he then walked in front of a bus and died, his cause of death would be listed as COVID!

 

disagree slightly on the first part as it could simply be an accident but my main problem is the lack of a common system though one other thing has suddenly occurred to me which is that the Health Secretary didn't know how PHE were counting Covid deaths

 

I think he should do that experiment to prove what he says is true. Proper science!

 

under PHE stats yes though there are any number of counts these days from PHE , ONS death registrations and ONS exess deaths .

 

What worries me is while everyone is playing league tables with covid, there probably has been an increased number of suicides, due to the lock-down, and there is likely to be many more, when folk don't have jobs and bills to pay. It's called taking the eye off the ball, but that's always been the case with MH.

 

Yep. That is correct. It’s also the reason we’ve said all along that we are bound to be one of the worst with the way we have counted Covid deaths. The Conservatives have been way to conservative over this.

 

So my brain is thinking here....that's dangerous I know....but bear with me...

So if the guy is positive one day, then walks in front of a bus the next, that's a covid death.

But....

If the guys test was negative, but the next day he walked in front of the same bus, to commit suicide, because he'd lost his job as a result of covid, that don't count?

 

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thats why excess deaths is the only stat that matters when the human cost is tallied up .
tbf i think almost every sort of care has been relegated to the back burner but think there has been widespread agreement that MH issues will grow / have grown due the effects of the pandemic .

 

yes & no .As it stands today but only in England
the bus death would be counted as Covid by PHE but not be covid related on death cert so would not show in the later ONS death registration figures but may show in the excess deaths tally .

Probably .

 

All over by Christmas, apparently...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53441912

 

Hancock desperately calls for an excuse for why he isn't the worst health minister in the world

As you say, excess deaths cannot be miscounted

 

You would assume someone that was that ill, would already be in hospital or a care home

Oh btw, thread banned, I've told yer before, fook off.

 

This is very true, and once the true economic cost of this hits, as furlough starts to wind down and unemployment hits between 3.1 - 3.5m (that’s my prediction btw) then this aspect is only going to get far, far worse.

Then there’s the 60%+ drop in cancer diagnosis. That disease has gone nowhere, so there’s a Tsunami of delayed cases there, that due to the time delay will mean much poorer outcomes for patients. Add these to the existing waiting lists for scans and treatments - which are now running into the hundreds of thousands, from a base of circa 15k, then I’m afraid there’s a second wave of tragedy from this, irrespective of the virus itself.

 

My old girl had COPD which was slowly killing her and was hospitalised with it a few times ... got a call from the hospital to take her home but she contracted pneumonia overnight and her condition deteriorated and she passed ... the death certificate listed both COPD and pneumonia as causes of death ... she would have eventually died of COPD anyway, the pneumonia just made it happen sooner ... that is what Covid is doing with underlyings ... so it is not misleading for it to be included or listed as the cause ... for the vast majority of such cases the fatalities would still be living if Covid was absent ... albeit with the clock ticking ....

... as for the Sky reporter ... he would likely have died stupidly anyway and having Covid would be just a bonus