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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
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I'm the left seat,
I'm the left seat,
I'm COVID friendly

I'm the right seat,
I'm the right seat,
I'm COVID friendly

I'm the left seat,
I'm the left seat,
Don't forget to wash your hands

I'm the right seat,
I'm the right seat,
Stay 2 metres away from me
 
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brb said:
I'm the left seat,
I'm the left seat,
I'm COVID friendly

I'm the right seat,
I'm the right seat,
I'm COVID friendly

I'm the left seat,
I'm the left seat,
Don't forget to wash your hands

I'm the right seat,
I'm the right seat,
Stay 2 metres away from me
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Bums on seats?
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
still find it bizarre that PHE decided to use a different counting method to the other UK nations particularly as it will give a slightly higher figure . The PHE method also encourages the people who say that far too many deaths are being listed as Covid .
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If you died having Covid then it is likely that it has accelerated your death, even if what actually killed you in the end was an existing underlying illness ... so this current bleating is smoke and mirrors to a large extent.

The excess deaths figure is the only true measure for me ...

... reanalysing the deaths of those that died whilst having Covid is missing the real point ... our infection numbers were scandalously high due to the government's complacency and failure to act quickly and decisively from the outset ... a PR exercise to try and discount some fatalities after the event is laughable...

... climbs down from soapbox.
 
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Did I hear this SKY reporter correctly?...

He said, if he went for a test, and that test came back positive. If the next day, he then walked in front of a bus and died, his cause of death would be listed as COVID! <laugh>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
If you died having Covid then it is likely that it has accelerated your death, even if what actually killed you in the end was an existing underlying illness ... so this current bleating is smoke and mirrors to a large extent.

The excess deaths figure is the only true measure for me ...

... reanalysing the deaths of those that died whilst having Covid is missing the real point ... our infection numbers were scandalously high due to the government's complacency and failure to act quickly and decisively from the outset ... a PR exercise to try and discount some fatalities after the event is laughable...

... climbs down from soapbox.
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disagree slightly on the first part as it could simply be an accident but my main problem is the lack of a common system though one other thing has suddenly occurred to me which is that the Health Secretary didn't know how PHE were counting Covid deaths <laugh>
 
brb said:
Did I hear this SKY reporter correctly?...

He said, if he went for a test, and that test came back positive. If the next day, he then walked in front of a bus and died, his cause of death would be listed as COVID! <laugh>
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I think he should do that experiment to prove what he says is true. Proper science!
 
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brb said:
Did I hear this SKY reporter correctly?...

He said, if he went for a test, and that test came back positive. If the next day, he then walked in front of a bus and died, his cause of death would be listed as COVID! <laugh>
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under PHE stats yes though there are any number of counts these days from PHE , ONS death registrations and ONS exess deaths .
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
under PHE stats yes though there are any number of counts these days from PHE , ONS death registrations and ONS exess deaths .
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What worries me is while everyone is playing league tables with covid, there probably has been an increased number of suicides, due to the lock-down, and there is likely to be many more, when folk don't have jobs and bills to pay. It's called taking the eye off the ball, but that's always been the case with MH.
 
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brb said:
Did I hear this SKY reporter correctly?...

He said, if he went for a test, and that test came back positive. If the next day, he then walked in front of a bus and died, his cause of death would be listed as COVID! <laugh>
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Yep. That is correct. It’s also the reason we’ve said all along that we are bound to be one of the worst with the way we have counted Covid deaths. The Conservatives have been way to conservative over this.
 
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Oh Saffy said:
Yep. That is correct. It’s also the reason we’ve said all along that we are bound to be one of the worst with the way we have counted Covid deaths. The Conservatives have been way to conservative over this.
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So my brain is thinking here....that's dangerous I know....but bear with me...

So if the guy is positive one day, then walks in front of a bus the next, that's a covid death.

But....

If the guys test was negative, but the next day he walked in front of the same bus, to commit suicide, because he'd lost his job as a result of covid, that don't count?

<whistle>
 
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brb said:
What worries me is while everyone is playing league tables with covid, there probably has been an increased number of suicides, due to the lock-down, and there is likely to be many more, when folk don't have jobs and bills to pay. It's called taking the eye off the ball, but that's always been the case with MH.
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thats why excess deaths is the only stat that matters when the human cost is tallied up .
tbf i think almost every sort of care has been relegated to the back burner but think there has been widespread agreement that MH issues will grow / have grown due the effects of the pandemic .
 
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brb said:
So my brain is thinking here....that's dangerous I know....but bear with me...

So if the guy is positive one day, then walks in front of a bus the next, that's a covid death.

But....

If the guys test was negative, but the next day he walked in front of the same bus, to commit suicide, because he'd lost his job as a result of covid, that don't count?

<whistle>
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yes & no .As it stands today but only in England
the bus death would be counted as Covid by PHE but not be covid related on death cert so would not show in the later ONS death registration figures but may show in the excess deaths tally .

Probably .
 
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astro said:
Yeah but if you die at home coughing and didn't have an official covid test you don't go down as a covid death
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You would assume someone that was that ill, would already be in hospital or a care home <ok>

Oh btw, thread banned, I've told yer before, fook off.
 
brb said:
What worries me is while everyone is playing league tables with covid, there probably has been an increased number of suicides, due to the lock-down, and there is likely to be many more, when folk don't have jobs and bills to pay. It's called taking the eye off the ball, but that's always been the case with MH.
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This is very true, and once the true economic cost of this hits, as furlough starts to wind down and unemployment hits between 3.1 - 3.5m (that’s my prediction btw) then this aspect is only going to get far, far worse.

Then there’s the 60%+ drop in cancer diagnosis. That disease has gone nowhere, so there’s a Tsunami of delayed cases there, that due to the time delay will mean much poorer outcomes for patients. Add these to the existing waiting lists for scans and treatments - which are now running into the hundreds of thousands, from a base of circa 15k, then I’m afraid there’s a second wave of tragedy from this, irrespective of the virus itself.
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
disagree slightly on the first part as it could simply be an accident but my main problem is the lack of a common system though one other thing has suddenly occurred to me which is that the Health Secretary didn't know how PHE were counting Covid deaths <laugh>
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My old girl had COPD which was slowly killing her and was hospitalised with it a few times ... got a call from the hospital to take her home but she contracted pneumonia overnight and her condition deteriorated and she passed ... the death certificate listed both COPD and pneumonia as causes of death ... she would have eventually died of COPD anyway, the pneumonia just made it happen sooner ... that is what Covid is doing with underlyings ... so it is not misleading for it to be included or listed as the cause ... for the vast majority of such cases the fatalities would still be living if Covid was absent ... albeit with the clock ticking ....

... as for the Sky reporter ... he would likely have died stupidly anyway and having Covid would be just a bonus <laugh>
 
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