Brown

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

Phil Brown was responsible for some of the worst signings in PL history. Has any other club spent so much on complete rubbish in the PL ? I would love to know if any have. The sale of Turner was the final straw with me on Brown. He should have told DufferMan that if MT goes i go. That sale and the summer 2009 recruitement sealed our fate. Not to mention plunging the club into mass debt.

The problem was the PB and PD were joined at the hip.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Phil Brown was responsible for some of the worst signings in PL history. Has any other club spent so much on complete rubbish in the PL ? I would love to know if any have. The sale of Turner was the final straw with me on Brown. He should have told DufferMan that if MT goes i go. That sale and the summer 2009 recruitement sealed our fate. Not to mention plunging the club into mass debt.

Alex Ferguson lost £14million in one season alone on the buy and sale of Juan Sebastian Veron. That's more than Brown wasted.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

The problem was the PB and PD were joined at the hip.

indeed. i rest my case john.

 

[PLT]

Phil Brown was responsible for some of the worst signings in PL history. Has any other club spent so much on complete rubbish in the PL ? I would love to know if any have. The sale of Turner was the final straw with me on Brown. He should have told DufferMan that if MT goes i go. That sale and the summer 2009 recruitement sealed our fate. Not to mention plunging the club into mass debt.

In fairness Stoke did a similar thing, they signed about 50 players the summer we both went up and most of them are unheard of now. The only difference was that they had an owner who genuinely was rich unlike ours. Meaning they could replace the crap signings with better ones and we had to make do with the likes of Gardner, Ghilas, etc.

The damage was done before we sold Turner, he had to be sold to pay that month's wages, it was the ridiculous signings we'd made over the course of 2009 up until then that were the problem.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Alex Ferguson lost £14million in one season alone on the buy and sale of Juan Sebastian Veron. That's more than Brown wasted.

i think you shall find that hull citys debts were more than 14 million quid.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Alex Ferguson lost £14million in one season alone on the buy and sale of Juan Sebastian Veron. That's more than Brown wasted.

Sorry BCC, but's a terrible example.

If you're going to pick a club to compare the quality of signings with, I'd suggest Man United probably isn't going to help your case much.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

In fairness Stoke did a similar thing, they signed about 50 players the summer we both went up and most of them are unheard of now. The only difference was that they had an owner who genuinely was rich unlike ours. Meaning they could replace the crap signings with better ones and we had to make do with the likes of Gardner, Ghilas, etc.

The damage was done before we sold Turner, he had to be sold to pay that month's wages, it was the ridiculous signings we'd made over the course of 2009 up until then that were the problem.

yes. but what Norwich and Swansea have done this season is what Hull City should have done. City Paid way way over the top for Peter Halmosi as an example. Yes Stoke have a rich owner but they moved there squad on in the correct way.
But whats done is done and now history. Long term it was for the best as i hate to think what state the club would be in now if we had survived the 2nd PL season by some fluke. Now debt has gone. New owners, better management and playing squad. Sometimes you have to go back to move forwards. Now City are on a roll again.

 

[PLT]

yes. but what Norwich and Swansea have done this season is what Hull City should have done. City Paid way way over the top for Peter Halmosi as an example. Yes Stoke have a rich owner but they moved there squad on in the correct way.
But whats done is done and now history. Long term it was for the best as i hate to think what state the club would be in now if we had survived the 2nd PL season by some fluke. Now debt has gone. New owners, better management and playing squad. Sometimes you have to go back to move forwards. Now City are on a roll again.

My point was that PB should not be blamed for the financial mess, Pulis made the exact same mistakes by signing the likes of Tonge, Soares, Kitson, Faye, Arismendi, etc. but luckily for him he had an owner who could just replace them, they've got it right eventually by buying proven players like Crouch. With that in mind is he any better than PB?

Also, PB didn't have a stupid cap.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

i think you shall find that hull citys debts were more than 14 million quid.

But Brown didnt spend that on players did he? Does soemone with more time on their hands care to tot up his PL signing fees paid?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Sorry BCC, but's a terrible example.

If you're going to pick a club to compare the quality of signings with, I'd suggest Man United probably isn't going to help your case much.

Why is it? Alex Ferguson has said on MANY occasions that if you get 50% of your signings to be a success you're doing ok. I'd wager he has spunked more up the wall than most, just that he has enough financial backing to rectify the bad ones by spending even more.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

My point was that PB should not be blamed for the financial mess, Pulis made the exact same mistakes by signing the likes of Tonge, Soares, Kitson, Faye, Arismendi, etc. but luckily for him he had an owner who could just replace them, they've got it right eventually by buying proven players like Crouch. With that in mind is he any better than PB?

Also, PB didn't have a stupid cap.

The Pulis signings of Messrs Crouch and co this season are on the back of the UEFA Europa League Cash Cow. But i still think that PB should have bought top end championship players. Hunt was one of his better buys but he should also have gone for Doyle prior to Mad Mick getting him. That would have been far more cost effective. When you add up the money(fees-wages etc) for the likes of Halmosi - McShane - Hess'link - Altidore - Zaki - Mendy - Cousin alone that is truely awful. I take your point on Stokes model but Brown could have done the same if he had used a different path.

Also, Brown did not have a stupid cap, correct. But chose to sing and wear that deaf aid. lol

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

But Brown didnt spend that on players did he? Does soemone with more time on their hands care to tot up his PL signing fees paid?

The point is that Phil Brown was awful after the First PL season. But we have moved on now. Thank goodness.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Why is it? Alex Ferguson has said on MANY occasions that if you get 50% of your signings to be a success you're doing ok. I'd wager he has spunked more up the wall than most, just that he has enough financial backing to rectify the bad ones by spending even more.

I'm aware of SAF's comments, I'm equally aware that far more than 50% of his signings have been successful and far less than 50% of Brownies were.

I've no issue with people defending Brownies record, particularly during the first half of his tenure, but to suggest that overall his signings were good is re-writing history. We paid millions for players we never played, we paid millions in wages to players not worth a quarter of what they were being paid(I accept that the wages were primarily Duffen's **** up, but you'd expect someone to say to Brownie 'are you sure Sonko's worth £28k a week and a loan fee?'), almost everyone we signed was a reject or a journeyman, we picked up almost nothing in the way of upcoming talent, despite somehow managing to run up a £40m wage bill. It was farcical.

 

[KC Kid]

I just had a call from a mate of mine who works on the Humber Bridge, Brownie is currently there, talking himself down.

Beat "talking himself up" which was what he usually did!

 

[Craigo]

I would love to see Horton back. His experience could only help the club at any level, but it should only be considered if its Nicks idea.
Things seem to be well balanced at the moment and the most important thing is that nothing is done to upset that.

 

[suttontiger]

Personally, don't want to see Horton back - he's an arrogant so and so. NB can do much better than him.

 

[Micky]

Well I totally forget about it, cos I really don't remember Brown taking us down.

Criticise him for what he did, and there's a lot to criticise, but let's not change history eh? There were plenty of games left and we were in touch when Brown was sacked.

Should that read " touch with relegation when Brown was sacked "

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

I've no issue with people defending Brownies record, particularly during the first half of his tenure, but to suggest that overall his signings were good is re-writing history. We paid millions for players we never played, we paid millions in wages to players not worth a quarter of what they were being paid(I accept that the wages were primarily Duffen's **** up, but you'd expect someone to say to Brownie 'are you sure Sonko's worth £28k a week and a loan fee?'), almost everyone we signed was a reject or a journeyman, we picked up almost nothing in the way of upcoming talent, despite somehow managing to run up a £40m wage bill. It was farcical.

and that as they say in hollywood """IS A WRAP""". so endeth any lingering queries on how bad most of browns signings were.

 

[Chiltons222]

Phil Brown was responsible for some of the worst signings in PL history. Has any other club spent so much on complete rubbish in the PL ? I would love to know if any have. The sale of Turner was the final straw with me on Brown. He should have told DufferMan that if MT goes i go. That sale and the summer 2009 recruitement sealed our fate. Not to mention plunging the club into mass debt.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...64-world-football-50-players-to-watch-in-2012

Don't take my word for it. See attached link.
Do you really think PB wanted to sell Turner? Bartlet was desperate as the Bank demanded money in his account.

 

[pock tiger 64]

Originally Posted by alexpne18
It had to happen, I feel the fans would have given him more time if he didn't pick crazy tactics and played players in the right positions. Posted on PNE online enough said