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Red Alert said:
tbf prisons are a facility and you have used females facilities how many times in the thread?? prisons are part of the same issue with toilets. toilets are single sex facilities in singlle sex facilities!!!

what as a society do we do with these people, as they do exist? ,

trans women and men should be kept away from certain places. the faciliters posters have been mentioning not female toilets.



Transwomen should go in male prisons or trans prisons. The risks are not ok!!
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I’ve no problem with that, keeping them separate altogether would be ok, whether there are enough to warrant using a separate prison form a cost perspective is debatable, maybe keep them to separate areas within prisons may be a better idea, separate toilets would also work, again the practicality of so many different toilets would probably be an issue as many establishment have gents and ladies already built, so I’m not sure how easy it would be to provide extra ones.

My ibeef with Clifton is more that he seems, to me at least, to have an issue with trans people in general, he doesn’t seem to want to make any allowances for them at all, he’s not made any suggestions of how to deal with the issue, rather just keeps being negative agout them.
 
AshtonRed said:
You still haven’t answered the fundamental question, what as a society do we do with these people, as they do exist? , I’ve at least made some suggestions .

prisons are a completely different issue, stick to the point, my suggestions were aimed primarily at toilets.
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The fundamental question is primarly what a person is. Male or female. Society bases how it functions on those definitions. Single sex spaces are based upon sex obviously and society has created single spaces for women.

Your post is a little clumsy - what do we do with these people, as they do exist. You should be able to define what you mean by these people and identify behaviours.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

The data regarding prisons in the link. Check the comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 differentuates between sexes and trans women. Amongst the male population 16.8 % were convicted sex offenders. Amongst the female population 3.3 % were convicted sex offenders. The figure for trans women was 58.9%.

You ignored those details. Was there anything there that stood out?

I have asked you about possible trans offending/risk you ignore the questions. Society creates womens rights based on the concrete understanding that some men present a threat to women's safety. What is our understanding of trans?

Do you not think we as a society should know more before we alter historical culturally-embedded tradition and law for a percentile of a percentile of society?
 
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Are people arguing about Transvestites or Transgender?
Surely a transgender don’t want to use female toilets to rape women? Seems a bit extreme to have your knackers and knob off to gain access to female toilets.
Also, rapist hanging round toilets are just as more likely to be raping a man or women.
 
RedorDead said:
Are people arguing about Transvestites or Transgender?
Surely a transgender don’t want to use female toilets to rape women? Seems a bit extreme to have your knackers and knob off to gain access to female toilets.
Also, rapist hanging round toilets are just as more likely to be raping a man or women.
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Seems a bit extreme to have your knackers and knob off well its beyond extreme. Most of the trans dont do they?? We have a world of male/female and there are some who want to change the world of male/female to where men who retain their genitals are women!!! Should the trans who retain their genitals be in a changing room undressing with girls and women? Should the trans who retain their genitals or not be in womens sport?
 
Red Alert said:
Seems a bit extreme to have your knackers and knob off well its beyond extreme. Most of the trans dont do they?? We have a world of male/female and there are some who want to change the world of male/female to where men who retain their genitals are women!!! Should the trans who retain their genitals be in a changing room undressing with girls and women? Should the trans who retain their genitals or not be in womens sport?
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So more likely transvestites then. Who a massive proportion tend to be gay and more likely to rape a man than a women.
No I don’t think they should be in either a male or female changing room. But that’s my opinion which may be outdated now. So that’s down to shops, leisure centres etc to accommodate them.
 
RedorDead said:
So more likely transvestites then. .
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Not sure. There was a time we knew what trans meant. Now??? it could be anything.

RedorDead said:
No I don’t think they should be in either a male or female changing room. But that’s my opinion which may be outdated now. So that’s down to shops, leisure centres etc to accommodate them.
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Dont think your outdated. People in my world scatratch their heads at this weird out new order. Men dont menstrate have a cervix or give birth. Men cant become women. I think its right that people call this stuff out.
 
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Red Alert said:
Not sure. There was a time we knew what trans meant. Now??? it could be anything.



Dont think your outdated. People in my world scatratch their heads at this weird out new order. Men dont menstrate have a cervix or give birth. Men cant become women. I think its right that people call this stuff out.
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It’s a shame that politicians don’t do exactly that and put this pitiful woke bullshit to bed once and for all, but they’re too scared of offending people that frankly don’t matter and that I don’t want to see gain an ever more disruptive voice in our society

It’s been announced today that the Sir Francis Drake School in Lewisham will change its name to 2 Oaks due to Drakes supposed links to slavery
And apparently Gladstones father was also linked in a small way to slavery, so in a move that you really couldn’t make up, Gladstone Park in London could be renamed Diane Abbot park instead
I wish I was joking but I’m not
Maybe rename Wembley as the George Floyd arena, as this is the way things are heading
 
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AshtonRed said:
My ibeef with Clifton is more that he seems, to me at least, to have an issue with trans people .
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You fail to define what a trans person is. If a woman is anything, if there are endless genders, if language is no longer literal how does society work? Think about that.
 
Cliftonville said:
Think about that.
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I have, [ thought about it ] a load of tosh or male testicles could use the slang Bollocks / Bollox ... allthis nit picking and chucking petrol on the fire to keep an argument on side is pitiful, simply put, in the order of things there are males females and hermaphrodites ... the human race through its ideaology and evolution has put various things into boxes based on the "mood or sway " of given point in time.
Males females and hermaphrodites this is the basis of the human race [ male or female ] /animal kingdom, you are what you are when born .... surgical or chemical treatment can make you look different... but the shell is only ever going to be what you took your first breath at
 
In yet another 'you couldn't make this sh*t up' moments - Following the closure of the Tavistock Clinic in London where confused adolescents underwent irreversible surgery for gender disphoria after as little as two consultations, the Mermaids charity that is currently being investigated by the Charity Commission for going behind parents backs and handing out things like chest binders to young confused girls, has now been approached by the NHS to help with staff training for the revised facility !

And NHS Midwives have hailed a victory for common sense after NHS Management tried to give them training courses for Trans and Non Binary 'birthing people' across 40 NHS Trusts. I mean, wtaf is going on here ? First we have the NHS wasting money like it wasn't theirs (oh wait, it isn't !!) on new forms to ask blokes in their 60's if they are pregnant when giving blood, and now this.

How much taxpayers money is being wasted on this sort of BS when there are over 7 million people on waiting lists and a growing number of unexplained excess deaths ?

At least Herr Sturgeon got her deserved knock back by Westminster on her latest mental bill for self id for 16 year olds and above.

Every day I find that I'm further and further away from a world that I even recognise these days.
 
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Angelicnumber16 said:
At least Herr Sturgeon got her deserved knock back by Westminster on her latest mental bill for self id for 16 year olds and above.
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Scots dont support it. No different to the rest of the uk. Using a minority for political reasons like the tiny minority left wing trans activists in England do!!!!
 
Angelicnumber16 said:
Seems to be 80% against and 20% pro across Scotland and England.
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Nickerless needs to be centre of attention .. now she has been stuffed on the referendum needs to pick on something else ....

strange world Ukraine gets an advantage by beating the Ruskies and Putrid comes back with rocket and missile attacks and blames HIS ACTION on the west or Ukraine gaining a victory ..!!
 
realred1952 said:
Nickerless needs to be centre of attention .. now she has been stuffed on the referendum needs to pick on something else ....

strange world Ukraine gets an advantage by beating the Ruskies and Putrid comes back with rocket and missile attacks and blames HIS ACTION on the west or Ukraine gaining a victory ..!!
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It's the result of what is essentially a one party state north of the border.
 
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