As it stands there is nothing to stop men from dressing as a woman to gain access to facilities to abuse women if they so wish. Unless we have some way of assessing everyone that enters women’s facilities are indeed women, which is neither practical, nor desirable.
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This is not an answer to the question posed, but I will address your point. We as a society do have protections against predators accessing single sex spaces. A sign identifies a single sex space, our eyes monitor it, membership are another level of protection, basic knowledge our shared values within social contract, that common decency a poster mentioned, and our laws all uphold how society operates its single sex spaces.
If you alter the control measures of our single sex spaces how do you not increase risks to females rights to decency, privacy and safety?
One of now numerous questions you have avoided .. If we look at safety. To state allowing trans people to use women’s facilities wouldn’t therefore increase risk (threat), you would have to be able identify that trans people display sexual patterns that parallel females. Can you identify that evidence? You above have highlighted how one male entering womens facilities increases a risk. Why doesnt one trans individual do similar?
As I keep saying men can dress as women and gain access to facilities and have always been able to if they are that way inclined. Allowing trans people to use them wouldn’t have any more affect, because if the intention was to abuse women why go to the trouble of becoming trans, they could just dress as a woman. It’s common sense.
Could you articulate how you can dress as a women and simply access a female single sex space?
If you as a male are allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?
If a trans women is allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?
if your wearing your and you try to get in the changing rooms with my mrs her friends and kids do you casually waltz in nobody sees you???
You are completely missing the point, if a man wants to abuse a woman or rape a women , am I more likely to
A, go to all the trouble of becoming trans in order to access their facilities, or
B, dress as a woman in order to access their facilities
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think your missing the point fella and people are being quite polite to you as you are avoiding the bleeding obvious and not getting it. answer the questions because you are getting led to the answers. if blokes commit more sex crimes and our sex 110% naliled on does making it easier for blokes to get into places only women are allowed has to change some things doesnt???
i think you do. what stops you going in the womens changing rooms?
My point is it isn’t making to it easier to get into a ladies facility by allowing trans people in, if men want to get in they can find ways to get in now fella.
If you think about it having an area designated as women only, actually makes them more vulnerable, as any weirdo knows where to go to find lone women
eh?? what ways? you wouldnt spot a bloke dressed as a women trying to get in a womans changing room? you would not spot a bloke in a boxing ring with a woman or on a pitch with women??
Even if I accept your argument, which I don’t, that men aren’t able to dress like, and be passed of as women, what’s to stop them going into a ladies facility?, there aren’t any forms of checking on entering them, can you honestly say you’ve never accidentally walked into a ladies, I know I have, and I’ve seen others do it too.
Did not answer any of three questions you were asked. Here they are again.
- Could you articulate how you can dress as a women and simply access a female single sex space?
- If you as a male are allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?
- If a trans women is allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?
surely you don’t need me to explain how to dress as a woman.
Im not suggesting men should have access to women only spaces
if a trans person is forced to use a male facility what measures would you put in place to protect their safety from men with a dislike for them, abusing them, or beating them up?
Trans people exist, how do you suggest we deal with their needs?, make them use male facilities?
I think the argument is on the side of allowing them to use women’s facilities, to conflate the argument by suggesting it would make women’s facilities more susceptible to abuse doesn’t hold true. Men have always been able to gain access if they so wished.
A safer way in my view is to do away with urinals, have all toilets in cubicals and have mixed sex facilities.
and there will be thousands and thousands of times where you didnt walk into the ladies i think you mean toilets? and those few accidents you dont stay in there. there will be times when somebodies pointed out your mistake. and you will have never gone in the females changing rooms and started undressing in front of the womens and children. why?? because your a bloke. people see your a bloke you can see the signs it means dont go in. the signs atrea check. People see you as a bloke its a check!! And what do we see??
You think most blokes can pass themseves off as women?? We cant. I cant as i am far taller than anything in womens euros winning squad and wider. I look nothing like a woman. you would spot me in that 22 women squad instantly in drag.
Maybe you couldn’t, but there are many that could, I’ve been into ladies loos accidentally and not noticed till I was in the cubicle, did the business and as discreetly and quickly as possible left. I used it as an example in this case to show how easy it is to enter a ladies even though I’m plainly a man, the beard gives it away somewhat, obviously I had no Ill intent, but equally someone who did, would be able to access them as easily as I did.
Are there really many? nah. no way. You used an example of an accident but something stops you those thousands of times what is it? its a check it? there are checks? remove the checks and have no single sex spaces anymore, blokes go where they like. you think thats good for all women?? my mrs would tear you a new one.