Assem Allam on meeting with supporters re name change.

[petersaxton]

From what I heard in the interviews, no-one has been able to get past his furious blustering (that anyone should question his ability to do what he wants) and pin him down to any sort of clarification.

Still, it might be an idea. Bags you ask him.......

And get a response of: "Nobody can question me!!!" and then he goes off to another interview hoping to just be allowed to state is case with no questions.

 

[petersaxton]

I don't understand why there is a stepping stone in changing the name. It's obvious that he wants us to be called Hull Tigers eventually and it doesn't look like that's going to change. So why change the name twice?

Incompetence?

 

[petersaxton]

I'm assuming that someone has pointed out to him by now, that all nonsense he spouted in the interviews yesterday were wrong and the FA have come out and said we're Hull City, we've never been Hull City Tigers and until he applies to change, we never will be.

He also can't register Hull Tigers Limited, as someone has done it already to prevent him(the kid in the Cardiff campaign group, who also supports our campaign).

Paul Woodman

 

[petersaxton]

Now there's a thought. How much does it cost to register a company. We could all pick a different name to stop him picking HUll Tigers.

We could have the following:
Tigers limited
Hull Tigers Ltd
Hull Tigers Roar Ltd
Tigers tigers burning bright Ltd
Tigers Hull Ltd
Hull Allam marine Tigers Ltd
Hull i have coughed up £75m of my money and I will have Tigers in the name I think that is short enough Ltd

The list is endless

Basically, anything that does not have city in it and has Tigers in it. that will **** up his plans.

It was cringeworthy listening to him last night.

I meet and talked to him at 11pm (I had had a few sherbets) on the night of the promotion (4th may) and he came across as a very humble man. Last night he came across as a sulking teenager who was not prepared to listen to anything Amanda (whatever her name is) had to say.

Only the first 60 characters are accepted.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/1085/schedule/3/made

 

[petersaxton]

Why? Doesn't spunking £60m of you hard earned not even merit not being referred to as a lunatic?

You people make me sick.

He might not be a lunatic but he's not very reliable. It doesn't matter if he's put in £1 or £60m, it doesn't make him immune from valid criticism.

 

[petersaxton]

My God, what a moron you are.

If it weren't for the fact that I know for every one of you there are thousands who actually are grateful for the fact he has saved the club from oblivion, I would wish you had what you want and he retains the name but decides to take out all of the money from the club and runs it down. That is what people like you deserve.

He didn't save the club from oblivion. He saved the club from administration. Somebody would have bought the club from the administrators. He'd be even more foolish if he tried to run the club down. He would get a lot more money by selling it when it's doing well.

 

[petersaxton]

What is this "Doing whatever he wants"? that is so terrible?

Is he moving the club to a city 40 miles away like Coventry?

Is he Changing the Club colours like Cardiff?

Is he changing the name of the club to some ridiculous, sponsored name like Total Network Solutions or Vauxhall Motors??

No he's changing the name to some mickey mouse nonsense rather than leaving it with a respected tradition football name that it's had for over 100 years. Has anybody though Buckingham Palace should be changed to Tigers Den to get more business from Asia?

 

[petersaxton]

He is not taking the CTWD seriously, in the same way as I've never taken you keyboard warriors seriously.
He is taking the club forward whereas you lot are binding it in useless history by harping back to 1904.
I only go back as far as 1962 with the club, and it's history is not worth shouting about.

He treats you as a minority, as I do, and your polls against the name change as 'a majority of a minority'.

Personally I had hoped he had called for a vote taken by the season ticket holders, he'd get my 5 votes, and then you lot would hopefully be bound by the silent majority and shut up.

Anyway he has thrown down the gauntlet and that is you either follow him forward or find another club to support.
Start picking your new club......pick one with AFC....that's seems very important to you name worshipers..

Most of us have supported Hull City for a long time and that is not going to change. Allam will never get the club playing name changed because he knows he wont get the backing of the majority of the supporters.

 

[petersaxton]

You mean like Abramovich at Chelsea or The Glazers at United or Randy Lerner at Villa or Mike Ashley at Newcastle or Elliott Short at Sunderland or the Liebherr family at Southampton etc etc etc?

Even Mike Ashley has some idea of the feelings of the fans even if he has to be convinced by the fans every now and again.

 

[petersaxton]

You're seriously comparing standing up to Allam as standing up to the dictator responsible for the Holocaust are you?

Oh dear....

He's comparing people who don't speak out against what is wrong and people who do speak out against what is wrong.

 

[petersaxton]

It is of little relevance whether it was hard cash or guarantees, I don't recall anyone else putting their neck on the line in what was very nearly our darkest hour!

He did spend a lot of money to keep the club out of administration. Legally he can change the company name to whatever he wants. He can't change the playing name and still play in the Premier League unless he abides by the rules.

 

[Fez]

Don't know if this has been posted already but this came up on FB. He keeps saying City is outdated so he's obviiously forgot about this article. Look at the headline.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152039376327387&set=gm.529849760444412&type=1&theater

And get a response of: "Nobody can question me!!!" and then he goes off to another interview hoping to just be allowed to state is case with no questions.

It really is time folk dealt with the facts:

AA has not given our club anything in monetary terms, he has invested his cash and he receives a decent return from it.

Prior to his takeover, he was watching the events at our club, being kept up to date and 'in the know' by AP; his takeover was a shrewd move that has cost him nothing, in the same way that any money he has tied up in Allam Marine costs him nothing - it makes him money.

He would be on target to have built a very substantial financial empire in the City of Hull (as he once liked to refer to it) if he had of been allowed to purchase the stadium and surrounding development assets.

Even if we were to accept that he has our football club's best interests at heart - and I do not - the very nature of his business style, the lies, the deceit, the confrontation, the snide public comment, the manipulation of the supporters, the limitless exaggeration he is prone to (I've said it a million times), all portray a business man who anyone, but the most foolhardy, would give a very wide berth to.

PeterSaxton has it right where he says (or infers) that his blustering is a sham, aimed at brow beating the media. Those close to him will have seen all of this before, which is why they are nowhere to be seen or heard; just like other investors.

I am grateful for the fact that his investment decision coincided with our club's urgent need; it was fortuitous for both parties.

I am grateful that the Pearson / Barmby debacle gave us an opportunity to see his and Pearsons true colours.

I am grateful that he felt he had to support his investment with a further one; Steve Bruce and promotion to the PL.

I was quite happy for him to rub his hands together at the thought of his investment potential.

I was indifferent to his spat with HCC; that is until it became apparent that he was being demanding, manipulative and downright dishonest.

I am not grateful to him for creating a Strawman out of the club's historic and cherished name - the vast majority were very happy with it until he fabricated his marketing lie and the reason for it.

I resent the fact that he believes he can lie to me, that he can denigrate the history of a football club that I, my family and friends have held dear through many generations.

I resent the fact he believes he can bully me and ride roughshod over me with a flimsy tissue of lies and deceit that he was arrogant enough to believe would endure in turning our heads.

I resent the fact that he has used everyone's sincere gratitude against them in such an insincere manner.

We should hold our heads up and stop any hint of cooperation and fight him openly and honestly; he deserves no less than that.

 

[The Omega Man]

Can I put to rest one popular myth. Buying Hull City for a pound.
Purchasing a business prior to administration. This is done to stop others buying the business that you want. The administrators will sell to the highest bidder. All football creditors must be satisfied in order to play in the Football League and if we plummeted to the Conference ALL creditors. So in reality the amount needed to be available would be in the tens of millions. The difference in financial terms is minimal, if you have a goal of Premier League football.
The 15 point deduction restricts promotion, but with investment we have seen that it can be only season long, but the cost of that season added to the football debts, will in my humble opinion equal the amount paid by purchasing prior to administration.
Purchase prior to administration, promotion to the PL in 3 seasons = cost £65m
Purchase in administration, promotion to the PL in 4 seasons = cost 65m

You get to the same point over a longer period of time spending the same amount of money.

 

[originallambrettaman]

What is this "Doing whatever he wants"? that is so terrible?

Is he moving the club to a city 40 miles away like Coventry?

Is he Changing the Club colours like Cardiff?

Is he changing the name of the club to some ridiculous, sponsored name like Total Network Solutions or Vauxhall Motors??

I can't understand why you would think changing the club's name isn't as bad as changing the club colours?

To me, they're equally bad, in fact I'd say a name change was worse.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Not sure there are many owners who were democratically elected to their position by the supporters???

Across Europe, that's the normal system.

 

[Fez]

I don't think it is a myth. In real terms he contractually bought the club for £1 (or some similar peppercorn sum); what cost him millions were the operating losses and debts he adopted subsequent to purchase. All assets (investments) will gain or lose real value (invest £10 today and in ten years it will have a face value of £10, but what it will buy you will have changed in real terms) and Hull City AFC is no different.
If handled correctly, as AA says, the club can be self-sufficient, the big question is, will changing our name to Hull Tigers go any significant way to achieving that? All of the professional views that have been aired say an emphatic no, while one says it will diminish the brand identity and it's returns.
On the other hand AA first tells us he will do a 2 -3 year study to determine the effect of name-change and then, within weeks, that changes to 2 - 3 months and when pressed, in a reasonable manner, for where he will seek that information, he refuses to answer and starts to rant. Let us not be blinded by nuance of detail, but let's see this man for what he is.

 

[Fez]

I can't understand why you would think changing the club's name isn't as bad as changing the club colours?

To me, they're equally bad, in fact I'd say a name change was worse.

Me too. The chants, the scoreboard and the programme adequately say who we are; the colours are good to keep but they do and have changed. Although I could well imagine AA making us the first lilac and beige striped Tigers out there.

 

[The Omega Man]

I'm not about to start am argument about how much he paid. But it was in the millions, to Russell Bartlett.
Statements keep being repeated that he could have saved himself millions if he had let the company go into administration and bought it for a pound, my point is that it would have cost the same amount, just over a longer period.

 

[StrovolosTiger]

He might not be a lunatic but he's not very reliable. It doesn't matter if he's put in £1 or £60m, it doesn't make him immune from valid criticism.

No but it should deserve more gratitude and respect than some of the cyber-warrior abuse being meted out on this thread.

 

[petersaxton]

I don't think it is a myth. In real terms he contractually bought the club for £1 (or some similar peppercorn sum); what cost him millions were the operating losses and debts he adopted subsequent to purchase. All assets (investments) will gain or lose real value (invest £10 today and in ten years it will have a face value of £10, but what it will buy you will have changed in real terms) and Hull City AFC is no different.
If handled correctly, as AA says, the club can be self-sufficient, the big question is, will changing our name to Hull Tigers go any significant way to achieving that? All of the professional views that have been aired say an emphatic no, while one says it will diminish the brand identity and it's returns.
On the other hand AA first tells us he will do a 2 -3 year study to determine the effect of name-change and then, within weeks, that changes to 2 - 3 months and when pressed, in a reasonable manner, for where he will seek that information, he refuses to answer and starts to rant. Let us not be blinded by nuance of detail, but let's see this man for what he is.

There were also the creditors at the time of purchase. They had to be paid.