An empty SOL for WBA?

[Brian Storm]

No I'm saying even though I'm an experienced and qualified coach, I don't for one second think I understand the tactical intricacies of football at this elite level. There are reasons for various selections of players and formations. They exposed us on that side but if we'd dominated the 3v2 we had in the centre like we should've done, we'd be praising the shape. It went the other way, partly due to QPR playing well in the first half.

I'm sure he had his reasons. But he still got it wrong and he won't hold his hands up. Instead it's our fault? Well he can **** off he's wrong, he's a spineless coward who's making excuse and trying to deflect blame from his own failings. I don't mind him getting wrong, mistakes happens. It's his attitude when he gets wrong that's bang out of order.

 

[Sam_Fring]

I'm insulting no one, just giving an honest opinion in a straight forward manner.

Perhaps you could do the same. I'm asking for your own personal take on my question.

Are you saying the supporters let the players down more than the other way round ........... yes or no?

Well I think I have given you my take on the question, it's about of a chicken and egg scenario. You were insulting mate, I don't think saying 'anyone who disagrees can **** their own arse' is really presenting an honest and fair opinion. Never mind though, we can't agree on everything.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yes I agree but the point I am trying to make is that he should have changed it earlier before we were 2 down (or possibly 1 down) but he waited to half time - was he trying to save face? the whole stadium could see it but no its the fans fault apparently

Plus the commentators, who aren't qualified to manage a PL side.
Plus people like me who looked at the set up, at kick off, and **** their pants.
Plus the pundits on Sky.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Well I think I have given you my take on the question, it's about of a chicken and egg scenario. You were insulting mate, I don't think saying 'anyone who disagrees can **** their own arse' is really presenting an honest and fair opinion. Never mind though, we can't agree on everything.

That's not an answer though is it, it's just perhaps/perhaps not.

You were quick enough to blame the supporters weren't you?

What I said was,"Last night the players let the supporters down ........ anyone who says the opposite can go and fck their own anus tbh."

Are you saying the players didn't let the supporters down?

If not then you're agreeing with me ............ hardly an insult is it?

 

[Deletion Requested1]

I'm sure he had his reasons. But he still got it wrong and he won't hold his hands up. Instead it's our fault? Well he can **** off he's wrong, he's a spineless coward who's making excuse and trying to deflect blame from his own failings. I don't mind him getting wrong, mistakes happens. It's his attitude when he gets wrong that's bang out of order.

Says it all to me most managers make mistakes Good Managers learn from them and probably don't blame their supporters

 

[Sam_Fring]

Yes I agree but the point I am trying to make is that he should have changed it earlier before we were 2 down (or possibly 1 down) but he waited to half time - was he trying to save face? the whole stadium could see it but no its the fans fault apparently

Absolutely right he should've changed it sooner. Once he'd realised our 3 weren't playing well enough. It's all a gamble. I think it's quite difficult and potentially demoralising long term to sub a player off in the first half. Doesn't happen often does it? Gomez isn't quick enough to play wide so I think Gus wanted to stay the same til ht, hoping that we'd make use of the advantage in the middle. Don't forget their 2nd came right at the death. That was a massive goal. I wish he'd changed it sooner GS, maybe this is why he didn't though. It's all guesswork, we can't begin to know all of the considerations the coach has to make. Thanks for a reasoned chat, got to go now. keep the faith!

 

[Smug in Boots]

Says it all to me most managers make mistakes Good Managers learn from them and probably don't blame their supporters

The same supporters were singing his name for 20 minutes at Swansea ......... fkn ignorant tosser having a go at us.

 

[Deletion Requested1]

Absolutely right he should've changed it sooner. Once he'd realised our 3 weren't playing well enough. It's all a gamble. I think it's quite difficult and potentially demoralising long term to sub a player off in the first half. Doesn't happen often does it? Gomez isn't quick enough to play wide so I think Gus wanted to stay the same til ht, hoping that we'd make use of the advantage in the middle. Don't forget their 2nd came right at the death. That was a massive goal. I wish he'd changed it sooner GS, maybe this is why he didn't though. It's all guesswork, we can't begin to know all of the considerations the coach has to make. Thanks for a reasoned chat, got to go now. keep the faith!

Nee worries - I got to go meself work tomorrow - don't know if I will sleep tho !!!

 

[Brian Storm]

Absolutely right he should've changed it sooner. Once he'd realised our 3 weren't playing well enough. It's all a gamble. I think it's quite difficult and potentially demoralising long term to sub a player off in the first half. Doesn't happen often does it? Gomez isn't quick enough to play wide so I think Gus wanted to stay the same til ht, hoping that we'd make use of the advantage in the middle. Don't forget their 2nd came right at the death. That was a massive goal. I wish he'd changed it sooner GS, maybe this is why he didn't though. It's all guesswork, we can't begin to know all of the considerations the coach has to make. Thanks for a reasoned chat, got to go now. keep the faith!

He didn't need to sub anyone first half, he needed to give PVA cover.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Absolutely right he should've changed it sooner. Once he'd realised our 3 weren't playing well enough. It's all a gamble. I think it's quite difficult and potentially demoralising long term to sub a player off in the first half. Doesn't happen often does it? Gomez isn't quick enough to play wide so I think Gus wanted to stay the same til ht, hoping that we'd make use of the advantage in the middle. Don't forget their 2nd came right at the death. That was a massive goal. I wish he'd changed it sooner GS, maybe this is why he didn't though. It's all guesswork, we can't begin to know all of the considerations the coach has to make.

Thanks for a reasoned chat, got to go now. keep the faith!

Not fancy answering my question then?

 

[Sam_Fring]

The same supporters were singing his name for 20 minutes at Swansea ......... fkn ignorant tosser having a go at us.

Not the same supporters though! He's only having a go at the ones who are creating the tension in the sol. I'd wager those at Swansea were infinitely more supportive.

I did answer your question: it's both the fault of the players and SOME fans that we are struggling at home. I'd blame Gus aswell, just less so than you would. All about opinions.

 

[Sam_Fring]

He didn't need to sub anyone first half, he needed to give PVA cover.

Ok so you'd have moved Gomez wide left? Isn't that 442? Think that's what he did second half, just not with Gomez, who I don't think can play that role.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Not the same supporters though! He's only having a go at the ones who are creating the tension in the sol. I'd wager those at Swansea were infinitely more supportive.

I did answer your question: it's both the fault of the players and SOME fans that we are struggling at home. I'd blame Gus aswell, just less so than you would. All about opinions.

That's fair enough mate, and I'm trying to avoid being pedantic, but the question was,
"Are you saying the supporters let the players down more than the other way round?"

Creating tension?

Not being rude mate but it's because we're tense and staring down the barrel of yet another draining relegation battle.
We're amateur supporters, they're professional players ......... the ultimate responsibility rests with them I'd say.

 

[MrRAWhite]

I have made no secret of how I have felt about our virtually non existent vocal support at home games this season, but in this case Poyet seems to bemoaning that we did get behind them when we adopted a more attacking approach in the 2nd half! Crazy statement by a man who I can only assume is feeling the pressure..

 

[The Ultimate Mackem]

I have made no secret of how I have felt about our virtually non existent vocal support at home games this season, but in this case Poyet seems to bemoaning that we did get behind them when we adopted a more attacking approach in the 2nd half! Crazy statement by a man who I can only assume is feeling the pressure..

The fans have had nothing to shout about this season. Look at the second half on Tuesday pal. Shoots, corners, high tempo and look what happens. Plus poyet doesn't think that's football. Says it all doesn't it.

 

[marcusblackcat]

It was obvious, after 10 minutes, that we'd surrendered at home to QP fkn R ....... the players created that atmosphere, not the crowd.

Thought it was the bosses fault?

The players didn;t create the atmosphere - the crowd did. It is totally detrimental to a team performance to boo them during the game. Gomez was woeful in the first half - one of the worst performances I've seen - but it got to a point where he was terrified of the crowd - that is not the players or the managers fault - it is the crowd. Boo at the end of the game by all means but booing during the game is one of the most detrimental things you can do to a team performing - proven at almost every level I've ever watched, coached and refereed!

 

[Class of 73]

The Sunderland crowd are as patient as it gets.

Compare us to Newcastle ffs ........ sit ins, walk outs, banners, red cards, Pardew out cards, Cockney Mafia protests etc etc etc.

Poisonous? FFS, Poyet should be praising the 40,000 for the support we give.

4,000 at Fulham and 2,000, including me, at Swansea.

THAT is fkn top support so **** off with all the comments about the SOL and poison.

FFS ..........

Absolutely this, well put Smug

 

[The Ultimate Mackem]

Thought it was the bosses fault?

The players didn;t create the atmosphere - the crowd did. It is totally detrimental to a team performance to boo them during the game. Gomez was woeful in the first half - one of the worst performances I've seen - but it got to a point where he was terrified of the crowd - that is not the players or the managers fault - it is the crowd. Boo at the end of the game by all means but booing during the game is one of the most detrimental things you can do to a team performing - proven at almost every level I've ever watched, coached and refereed!

Gomez got stick because he was a ****ing lazy ****. If he and poyet doesn't like it then both can **** off.

 

[Class of 73]

Thought it was the bosses fault?

The players didn;t create the atmosphere - the crowd did. It is totally detrimental to a team performance to boo them during the game. Gomez was woeful in the first half - one of the worst performances I've seen - but it got to a point where he was terrified of the crowd - that is not the players or the managers fault - it is the crowd. Boo at the end of the game by all means but booing during the game is one of the most detrimental things you can do to a team performing - proven at almost every level I've ever watched, coached and refereed!

If they cannot take the pressure then give back their wages and find a different job. The fans knew Gomez had not been playing well for a few games, showing their displeasure was maybe a wake up call to the manager! would it not have been better to have started with Alvarez and put Gomez on in the 2nd half if the game was already won. It would have given him confidence and reduced the pressure on him.
This goes back to the manager, with team selection and tactics; this has now gone on for to long......c'mon, Losing to Hull and QPR at home........FFS NNOOOO, it must be just a bad dream

 

[The Relic]

Look, we've been through this so many times before. Can we try and get something constructive out of it once and for all? What do these critics of the crowd expect? We're not supposed to groan when a pass goes astray? O.k., I'll take that, but what are we supposed to do? Are we expected to cheer to the rafters, sing the player's name, and dance up and down when an opposition player is given a free ball?

If an opposition striker gets an easy shot on goal without being tackled, can someone just explain how we're supposed to "get behind" our defenders? Do we shout 'hooray, hooray' or something?

I hope nobody minds me asking. But we're told so often on here what we shouldn't be doing. We're never quite told how we should be acting. That would help, I think.