Allam out

Craig in Nottingham said:
Ah yes the usual tactic. So I guess what you're saying is don't ask me why I'm doing nothing or I'll quarantine your posts.
Ok then I'll stop asking you why you're doing nothing. TBH I think I always knew anyway.
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Nope, I said nothing of the sort.

I said pretty much the same thing PLT did when you cluttered threads up and spoke to him, and probably the same as Ricardo would do if you had the conversation with him.

Take responsibility for your own part in the problem, we'll do what we can here.
 
Excellent, perhaps if we don't have to spend an hour each night explaining to you that you whinging on each of the threads isn't really helping anyone, perhaps we could look at the threads you're complaining on. <ok>


As an idea, why not start some threads on football or other topics you reckon the board lacks?
 
Does the fact that this joke of a thread has yet to be removed, an indication of the MoDS stance on this?

Clearly CTWD group have some influence on here.
 
Shame, I always enjoy our chats as well. <laugh>

Edit; "As an idea, why not start some threads on football or other topics you reckon the board lacks?"

I did. Its a good one too.
 
There is no point here, this is just argument for arguments sake.
 
If ever there was a thread that deserved to be closed it's this one.

In fact it should have been closed after one post given the mods are closing threads one the basis of their Wumming coefficient!
 
3.14159265358979323846264 said:
Does the fact that this joke of a thread has yet to be removed, an indication of the MoDS stance on this?

Clearly CTWD group have some influence on here.
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Not really. I think it's fairly obvious that the other two are behind the anti name change side of things.

Personally on this, as someone who's not actually that bothered either way about the name change I think both sides have got people that are embarrassing themselves with some of the crap they're coming out with. I'm only against the name change on the principal that it shouldn't be changed unless there's sufficient evidence of the benefits to be had, and nobody has yet given anything to show how we'll benefit, it's all "we hope", or "he know's what he's doing". If he demonstrates it then fair enough, but the only recent examples of clubs playing around with it's branding are Everton changing their crest and then the fans voting for the old one back, and Manchester United adding Football Club back on to the crest having decided their decision to remove 10 years or so ago isn't doing anything.

I think the OP goes too far in what they're saying I'd rather leave it for people to disagree with, as people on both sides of the argument have.

If I went around around deleting or closing every anti-name change thread that I felt went too far I'd just end up with people saying I was moderating to save "my" side of the argument the embarrassment, whilst letting all the more vitriolic posters on the other side weaken their side. The fact people think my moderation is the result of having a different view to the one I actually have is usually a good sign. There's been very little moderated on this subject, as was the case when Barmby was sacked, and other contentious issues. They're always incredibly loosely moderated, ironically in order to prevent bias coming into the moderation. (and it's usually best not to go poking someone with a stick when they're already annoyed, which deleting their views on the more important issues would be doing)
 
Hull City AFC (Ricardo) said:
Not really. I think it's fairly obvious that the other two are behind the anti name change side of things.

Personally on this, as someone who's not actually that bothered either way about the name change I think both sides have got people that are embarrassing themselves with some of the crap they're coming out with. I'm only against the name change on the principal that it shouldn't be changed unless there's sufficient evidence of the benefits to be had, and nobody has yet given anything to show how we'll benefit, it's all "we hope", or "he know's what he's doing". If he demonstrates it then fair enough, but the only recent examples of clubs playing around with it's branding are Everton changing their crest and then the fans voting for the old one back, and Manchester United adding Football Club back on to the crest having decided their decision to remove 10 years or so ago isn't doing anything.

I think the OP goes too far in what they're saying I'd rather leave it for people to disagree with, as people on both sides of the argument have.

If I went around around deleting or closing every anti-name change thread that I felt went too far I'd just end up with people saying I was moderating to save "my" side of the argument the embarrassment, whilst letting all the more vitriolic posters on the other side weaken their side. The fact people think my moderation is the result of having a different view to the one I actually have is usually a good sign. There's been very little moderated on this subject, as was the case when Barmby was sacked, and other contentious issues. They're always incredibly loosely moderated, ironically in order to prevent bias coming into the moderation. (and it's usually best not to go poking someone with a stick when they're already annoyed, which deleting their views on the more important issues would be doing)
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<laugh> You really should put that into the sites guide to good moderation! <laugh> :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
Craig - my view on the many name change threads is that they don't need merging. The current situation around our club has caused it. If two threads are identical I'll merge them but quite often they are different threads on different themes relating to the same topic. This one is, as the title suggests, an Allam out thread. How can I merge that with the debate about Allam's ultimatum? They're totally different themes even if the topics are related.

The real fact is that you don't like the name change threads so you want less of them. I think that's a weak stance. If you think the rest of us are wrong then explain why and we can debate it. However the last few days the few of you in support of the change have become weaker and weaker in your arguments to the point that you're just repeating the same points even after they've been answered. I think Allam has shown you guys were wrong and none of you can admit it, or even argue a decent case that you aren't wrong.

If anyone wants to make more football threads they're welcome to as always, but hardly anyone is doing, which I think says a lot about people's priorities right now.
 
Hull City AFC (Ricardo) said:
Not really. I think it's fairly obvious that the other two are behind the anti name change side of things.

Personally on this, as someone who's not actually that bothered either way about the name change I think both sides have got people that are embarrassing themselves with some of the crap they're coming out with. I'm only against the name change on the principal that it shouldn't be changed unless there's sufficient evidence of the benefits to be had, and nobody has yet given anything to show how we'll benefit, it's all "we hope", or "he know's what he's doing". If he demonstrates it then fair enough, but the only recent examples of clubs playing around with it's branding are Everton changing their crest and then the fans voting for the old one back, and Manchester United adding Football Club back on to the crest having decided their decision to remove 10 years or so ago isn't doing anything.

I think the OP goes too far in what they're saying I'd rather leave it for people to disagree with, as people on both sides of the argument have.

If I went around around deleting or closing every anti-name change thread that I felt went too far I'd just end up with people saying I was moderating to save "my" side of the argument the embarrassment, whilst letting all the more vitriolic posters on the other side weaken their side. The fact people think my moderation is the result of having a different view to the one I actually have is usually a good sign. There's been very little moderated on this subject, as was the case when Barmby was sacked, and other contentious issues. They're always incredibly loosely moderated, ironically in order to prevent bias coming into the moderation. (and it's usually best not to go poking someone with a stick when they're already annoyed, which deleting their views on the more important issues would be doing)
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This is why you're by far the best and most appreciated mod we have Ricardo, and why the other 2.....aren't.
 
SuitedandBooted said:
And the usual arse licking premier league at all costs twats spout their usual innane drivel
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If you don't want what is best for the club and want us to be in the Premier League then why don't you just go to the club and hand that season ticket back in.
 
CityCalv said:
Sadly not, but I wish people like him would actually put their money where their mouth is and take up Allams offer of handing in their season card.
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Problem is, it's a ridiculous offer, barely anyone is going to stop supporting the team they love just because they disagree with one thing the owner is doing.
 
Not wanting to have the name changed is fair enough, but claiming you'd rather be playing in League 2 against the likes of Fleetwood and Newport County is just madness. As Mr. Hat rightly pointed out, you don't get points for trying your hardest you get them for winning games. You don't get any money for being in League 2, but you get ****loads of it for being in the PL. Just ask Portsmouth. Which is where'd we be without the Allams input. We need a fair bit of money and that's only going to come from playing at the top level for the foreseeable future. Once we are secure and self sustaining, maybe the Allams will consider selling us on, but it won't be before then and you'll be looking at at least 2-3 years more.

He's going to do everything he can to change that name and we're going to do everything we can to stop him, but you have to remember that the players, the staff and everybody connected to the club worked so hard to get to where we are now; how many of them are going to be happy to plummet through the leagues? It's not about seeing us on MOtD or seeing what player ratings we get on FIFA, it's about money and we need it to come from somewhere. And that somewhere isn't sentimentality and nostalgia.
 
PLT said:
Craig - my view on the many name change threads is that they don't need merging. The current situation around our club has caused it. If two threads are identical I'll merge them but quite often they are different threads on different themes relating to the same topic. This one is, as the title suggests, an Allam out thread. How can I merge that with the debate about Allam's ultimatum? They're totally different themes even if the topics are related.

The real fact is that you don't like the name change threads so you want less of them. I think that's a weak stance. If you think the rest of us are wrong then explain why and we can debate it. However the last few days the few of you in support of the change have become weaker and weaker in your arguments to the point that you're just repeating the same points even after they've been answered. I think Allam has shown you guys were wrong and none of you can admit it, or even argue a decent case that you aren't wrong.

If anyone wants to make more football threads they're welcome to as always, but hardly anyone is doing, which I think says a lot about people's priorities right now.
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This is a clear indication of what happens when moderators are biased and how it is to the detriment of the board.
 
Tommytiger said:
. Once we are secure and self sustaining, maybe the Allams will consider selling us on, but it won't be before then and you'll be looking at at least 2-3 years more.
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Just which Premiership clubs meet that criteria ? Even the bigger clubs with a global appeal find it difficult !!

Do you think in 2-3 years ? Seriously ? You think we will have paid the Allams back their £70 million or however much that has increased to ?

The biggest issue here, and the point so many people seem to be addressing is that there is absolutely nothing to suggest that changing the club name will generate ANY extra income, other than in MR Allam's twisted mind, in fact there is exactly the same amount of evidence that changing the name will reduce the club's income

MR Allam keeps saying that if someone can suggest a way to increase revenue that the name change will generate then he won't change it, but as there is no evidence a name change will generate any income the fans suggestion of leaving the name alone meets that criteria.

(I use the title MR as only a real narcissist would use the honorary Dr title he gained though his self publicising "charitable donations")
 
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