A Different Perspective on Assem Allam

[Tuckin]

we keep gettig the same thing back from you all, everyone that is anti name change just say the same thing, that we are talking ****e, or it makes no sense blah blah! you can't just say this!

In your case, we really can.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Not owning their ground isn't too much of a handicap for the 2 Milan clubs, Juventus until recently, Roma, Lazio, Bayern until recently as well. As for increased income, it appears we would have got £1 million more if we had managed to change our name which is hardly significant given the money coming in from SKY and a lot more than that for every league position higher we manage.
The whole thing is a tragedy worthy of Shakespeare.The greatest period in our history should have the fans united in their adoration of the man who made it possible. The fact he has managed to alienate so many is truly sad.

How many do you think he's alienated castro? . People on the internet- oh yes they are up in arms. But how many season pass holders? What was our turn out for a vote?
Ctwd's membership is 1800., debatable how many of them are season pass holders.

Genuine question.

 

[CANADATIGER]

As the other threads have gone their predictable ways, and any attempt at comment or discussion is immediately washed away in a sea of anguish, I am going to explain what I believe the majority think. Sorry if this is too long for you to read, I've been careful to make it as neutral antagonising wise as possible given the subject.

Assem can call the club what he wants. He paid for that right when he saved us from being wound up. When he stopped us disappearing entirely, no more football club in Hull. However, he doesn't want to change the name to spite the council, he is genuinely done with them. Completely. I don't blame him for that. If HCC was to undergo a massive change, not only would it be good for the citizens of Hull, but our football club would also benefit.

For me, I don't care what the club is called, as long as it has "Hull" in the name. It could be called "Hull <anything you want here>" and I would be 100% ok with that. I am of course excluding all the stupid suggestions we've had before, the name change is a purely business decision so no, it wouldn't be called "Hull Tampons" etc. Hull marks it out as us. No one else is called that, just us, so yeah, that's important to me, the rest really is not.

As long as there is a football club, with Hull in the name, playing in or around Hull, representing our city, I am perfectly happy. if anyone asks me who I support and I say "Hull" or "Hull City" or "The Tigers" or "Hull Tigers", they know exactly who I am talking about. If I say "City", they assume I mean Man City. As it happens, generally I answer "The mighty Tigers". Therefore, I have no issue or concern about losing "City" from my clubs name.

I do not buy into the "football clubs aren't run this way" argument as I've said in another thread.

Clubs like us are expected to make up the lower parts of the PL for a while, then get relegated. Or to gallantly fight in the CL. If we ended up in Div 1 or 2, that's also fine. We are after all, just little old Hull. Eternal underachievers. The "Top 6" are the ones expected to do well. It speaks volumes that people think still of Man Utd as being a top 6 team. We might have a good season, but, we are expected to return to the bottom, where we belong. This status is accepted by the majority, without question.

Assem has a different vision for us, he's had a plan all along, and thus far he's delivered 100% on his promises for us. However, he is honest enough to know we've reached the limit of what we can achieve within our current funding, from him. He still wants more. He wants us to be a top 6 team. Sustainably, and long after he goes. To do that, he wants to change some established things, like the name. This will he believes (and I agree) will enable the club to be marketed as a global brand, not as a local, niche one.

Is that standard football thinking? No of course not, the clubs already established in the sphere he wants us to be in, do not want the trough to be shared. They are registered on stock exchanges, they are massive money making machines and huge businesses globally, and if any other clubs suddenly cottoned on, they'll dip out. This situation is fed down to other fans and clubs and they all lap it up. After all, they do "OK" don't they? Muddling along. Making the numbers up. Simply doing well in the PL won't make us massively attractive financially. Winning the FA could have given a few weeks in the spotlight but long term, it does bugger all. Thinking a little minor success will make us well off long term is foolish.

As he said in today's conference, not owning the stadium creates a massive hole in our potential income. Without our own stadium, we can't expand. We can't easily increase our income. So, we need other streams. Selling a few more pies or selling more stuff in the club shop will not help. It's a crying shame that HCC is represented by the self serving member it is. This was a glorious chance to do something for our club and for the people of Hull, and they screwed it up big time. If there's no chance of a change at HCC, I would support a move to a new stadium. Yes, even to Melton.

I also don't buy into the history argument either. Living in the past is what Forest and TWS fans do. History is still there, but it should be behind you. You can gaze back at it, remember it, but to achieve anything, you have to look forwards, and sometimes, take a chance, or a gamble. Luckily for us, Assem took a gamble, a £20m one, which none of us could ever have done, and we're now, thanks to that, enjoying some great moments in our history. He has gone as far as he can with us, using his money and the current limited streams of income he can generate. He wants us to achieve, and be more, so, he has a plan for that. Breaking free from the shackles imposed on clubs like us will take a visionary, someone prepared to ignore the normal, accepted things, to do something no one expects. Assem is that visionary. He's been more wildly successful than anyone on here, than any other fans of our club, and he was prepared to risk his own money to do things no one else ever dared think about.

Ridicule him all you want. Sure, he's not a great orator, but he is honest. Of course he doesn't come over all that well, especially when you have a pack of people waiting to pick every single word and phrase apart for their own agendas. If you just listened to what he is saying, all he wants to do is leave the people of Hull a lasting legacy, that is successful beyond any normal fans wildest dreams. Hardly a reason to mock him.

Dare to dream? He is daring to dream in ways none of us ever would have. He is clever and more successful than almost all of us are.


Hopefully this explains why I think the way I do. If you're happy revelling in mediocrity fine. That's your prerogative. Please stop being so naive to think that we can keep climbing up the league, earning a couple more million, in our current ground, with the TV money and be a successful club in the long term. We can't, that needs major cash.

I believe the majority of fans, as long as they have a club to support, they feel at least similar to the way I feel.

Keep it civil.

Very well put HT. Like you I'm agnostic on the name change, but the "History, heritage, tradition" argument carries absolutely no weight with me at all. I have been a supporter for 65 years and probably bought every book written about our club and collected hundreds (maybe thousands) of our post WW II match programs, as well as press reports going back to the early 1900s, and "The Tigers" is the name we have been called and known by throughout the leagues since our inception even if it has not been our official name. So claims by CTWD that we are trashing our history, heritage, etc are simply nonsensical. Mr. Allam has given our club a new lease on life and the most successful team and manager in our history. He should be applauded for what he has already done for the club and indeed Hull at large with his philanthropy, not called senile and reviled in a disgusting manner by certain posters on here.

 

[TheCasual]

Agree on PLT says and to add

Allam has put around £75m into the club.

£32m of that was put in straight away, £11m in 2011 and £7m in 2012, it was £36m in 2013, but that was before a lot of the Premier League money.

The club in the Premier League is almost self-reliant.

Why do people think we'll go to the dogs if the Allams leave?

 

[thetigers1]

some humans find CHANGE difficult ?

 

[PLT]

because the allams are business men

So it'll make money because they're business men? That's your logic, blind faith against overwhelming evidence?

Not owning their ground isn't too much of a handicap for the 2 Milan clubs, Juventus until recently, Roma, Lazio, Bayern until recently as well. As for increased income, it appears we would have got £1 million more if we had managed to change our name which is hardly significant given the money coming in from SKY and a lot more than that for every league position higher we manage.
The whole thing is a tragedy worthy of Shakespeare.The greatest period in our history should have the fans united in their adoration of the man who made it possible. The fact he has managed to alienate so many is truly sad.

I agree with your point but that £1m is total bollocks. It's another lie from a persistent liar. Ehab said months ago there was no sponsorship depending on a name a change. And why would there be? Why would a sponsor care about our name? He's a total bullshiter and he keeps getting away with it.

we keep gettig the same thing back from you all, everyone that is anti name change just say the same thing, that we are talking ****e, or it makes no sense blah blah! you can't just say this!

Yes I can say this. You've been told exactly why what you posted makes no sense. I'll ask you again, how does not wanting to change the name mean we want to go back to being ****? And how will changing the name make money? You seem very sure of your stance so come on explain it? Why do you think the name change will make money or improve us as a team?

 

[wolfman88]

Very well put HT. Like you I'm agnostic on the name change, but the "History, heritage, tradition" argument carries absolutely no weight with me at all. I have been a supporter for 65 years and probably bought every book written about our club and collected hundreds (maybe thousands) of our post WW II match programs, as well as press reports going back to the early 1900s, and "The Tigers" is the name we have been called and known by throughout the leagues since our inception even if it has not been our official name. So claims by CTWD that we are trashing our history, heritage, etc are simply nonsensical. Mr. Allam has given our club a new lease on life and the most successful team and manager in our history. He should be applauded for what he has already done for the club and indeed Hull at large with his philanthropy, not called senile and reviled in a disgusting manner by certain posters on here.

very well said! Its nice to see the silent majority having a say! 4 generations of my family have supported hull city over the many years! and we all feel that we don't care what the name is, we have always been hull city afc the tigers! allam bought the club, there is no saying the name will generate more money, but he has the right to do what he thinks is best for the club he OWNS! surely!

 

[armchairfan]

I don't believe he's selling because of the name change at all, he's probably just tired of running something different to the businesses he's had where he's been in control of everything and where there aren't the same limits.

 

[wolfman88]

So it'll make money because they're business men? That's your logic, blind faith against overwhelming evidence?



I agree with your point but that £1m is total bollocks. It's another lie from a persistent liar. Ehab said months ago there was no sponsorship depending on a name a change. And why would there be? Why would a sponsor care about our name? He's a total bulls**ter and he keeps getting away with it.



Yes I can say this. You've been told exactly why what you posted makes no sense. I'll ask you again, how does not wanting to change the name mean we want to go back to being s**t? And how will changing the name make money? You seem very sure of your stance so come on explain it? Why do you think the name change will make money or improve us as a team?

I have no answers, i don;t have a business or marketing mind, but I'd trust the richest man in hull to make the right decision, its not a risk, if it generates no more money we will be hull tigers, you call it city, so will I....I am quite open minded and can see his logic, that tigers is more attractive/unique than city

 

[johnbo]

I think no one will win here the problem is deep down most fans don't want the name change but at the same time he as delivered a great football team one that we can all be proud of, his rants and insults don't help but everyone on here as got good reasons for supporting and been against MR Allam my personnel view is that many teams don't change there name but still do well through out the world. We should all know he is Egyptian and will not change his mind in fact he will not even negotiate he gets fans backs up so going forward (A)- you either hate him because of the way he acts, his silly comments, sometimes his insults or (b) you ignore him hope he stays keeps putting his money in and the club continues to grow with his full backing. One thing i will say his i think in some ways the man is a total P R disaster and a baby but i think if he stays as owner with the club he is a very determined individual who will do every thing in his power to gain success the choice his yours but please remember protest how you want but get behind the team when the game kicks off because we don't want all this affecting the lads

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

This is the best thing I have read pro name change or anti name change and I thank you for taking you time out to write this! unfortuntely the people against the name change don't wish to expand! I feel this is abit backwards, I have been watching hull from a very young age and there used to be people at boothferry walking around in liverpool shirts and man utd shirts, do I want to go back to them days, hell no! but amazingly, some hull fans do!

people also question where the evidence of the money it will make, I find this very narrow minded, obviously hull tigers will achieve more globally than hull city! that is obvious to anyone I would of thought!

very well said! Its nice to see the silent majority having a say! 4 generations of my family have supported hull city over the many years! and we all feel that we don't care what the name is, we have always been hull city afc the tigers! allam bought the club, there is no saying the name will generate more money, but he has the right to do what he thinks is best for the club he OWNS! surely!

The Schizo Kid, can't even keep up with himself.

 

[wolfman88]

I don't believe he's selling because of the name change at all, he's probably just tired of running something different to the businesses he's had where he's been in control of everything and where there aren't the same limits.

he won't sell the club, who would want to buy us, we have no assets!

 

[FLG]

The Schizo Kid, can't even keep up with himself.

There's a lot of it about lately.

Is there?

Yes.

 

[The greengrocer]

I have no answers, i don;t have a business or marketing mind, but I'd trust the richest man in hull to make the right decision, its not a risk, if it generates no more money we will be hull tigers, you call it city, so will I....I am quite open minded and can see his logic, that tigers is more attractive/unique than city

He's not the richest man in hull! You really are caught up in this ALLAM love in aren't you? And looking back at one of your posts it's " HAVE " not of!!! Would have, would have.

 

[PLT]

I have no answers, i don;t have a business or marketing mind, but I'd trust the richest man in hull to make the right decision, its not a risk, if it generates no more money we will be hull tigers, you call it city, so will I....I am quite open minded and can see his logic, that tigers is more attractive/unique than city

So just like thetigers1, that's your best argument? He's rich so he must be right. There's plenty of rich people who've told him the idea is bollocks, and all the evidence supports that. How is tigers more attractive than City? How does that affect the finances?

 

[Hank Scorpio]

I have no answers, i don;t have a business or marketing mind, but I'd trust the richest man in hull to make the right decision, its not a risk, if it generates no more money we will be hull tigers, you call it city, so will I....I am quite open minded and can see his logic, that tigers is more attractive/unique than city

How is it unique? Cas Tigers, Leicester Tigers, Wests Tigers, Chittagong Tigers, Detroit Tigers

 

[wolfman88]

I think no one will win here the problem is deep down most fans don't want the name change but at the same time he as delivered a great football team one that we can all be proud of, his rants and insults don't help but everyone on here as got good reasons for supporting and been against MR Allam my personnel view is that many teams don't change there name but still do well through out the world. We should all know he is Egyptian and will not change his mind in fact he will not even negotiate he gets fans backs up so going forward (A)- you either hate him because of the way he acts, his silly comments, sometimes his insults or (b) you ignore him hope he stays keeps putting his money in and the club continues to grow with his full backing. One thing i will say his i think in some ways the man is a total P R disaster and a baby but i think if he stays as owner with the club he is a very determined individual who will do every thing in his power to gain success the choice his yours but please remember protest how you want but get behind the team when the game kicks off because we don't want all this affecting the lads

no! most people dont really care about the name change! they just want the city of hull to have a great football team, that has been the destination for many years! but if we are called hull tigers, so be it!

 

[The Omega Man]

Happy,

I personally believe that the name change has no financial benefit.
Assem Allam has proved he does not need the name to be changed in order to invest in a good in fact very good squad.
The amount of money "lost" us not being called Hull Tigers" is less than one place in the league.

Lets have a look at the so called returns from stadium ownership. You can only use it to borrow against.
Build a hotel, not many at football grounds make money.Build a retail and sports park, does Hull need one, the infrastructure alone would cost more than elsewhere in Hull.

In other words Happy, the only way that Assem can benefit from owning the club is to sell it when it is established in the PL and has no debt to speak of. 2 more years in the PL and we will be as well off as if we had a major investor or even if we developed around the stadium.

The name change is a diversion that we do not need and he has no business case to show he needs it.

 

[wolfman88]

How is it unique? Cas Tigers, Leicester Tigers, Wests Tigers, Chitagong Tigers, Detroit Tigers

you cannot compare the english premier league to any of these teams, most of the UK dont even like rugby never mind the world! i don't think anyone keeps up with the bangladesh cricket or american sports, they're on their own!....in terms of been in the biggest league of the most popular sport in the world, hull tigers is unique and will attract! I don't see how people, dont see this!

which stand out the most to you:

swansea city
leicester city
hull tigers
stoke city
birmingham city
cardiff city
norwich city

 

[BrAdY]

How is it unique? Cas Tigers, Leicester Tigers, Wests Tigers, Chitagong Tigers, Detroit Tigers

you cannot compare the english premier league to any of these teams, most of the UK dont even like rugby never mind the world! i don't think anyone keeps up with the chinese or american sport, there on their own!....in terms of been in the biggest league of the most popular sport in the world, hull tigers is unique!

hull city is unique