As the other threads have gone their predictable ways, and any attempt at comment or discussion is immediately washed away in a sea of anguish, I am going to explain what I believe the majority think. Sorry if this is too long for you to read, I've been careful to make it as neutral antagonising wise as possible given the subject. Assem can call the club what he wants. He paid for that right when he saved us from being wound up. When he stopped us disappearing entirely, no more football club in Hull. However, he doesn't want to change the name to spite the council, he is genuinely done with them. Completely. I don't blame him for that. If HCC was to undergo a massive change, not only would it be good for the citizens of Hull, but our football club would also benefit. For me, I don't care what the club is called, as long as it has "Hull" in the name. It could be called "Hull <anything you want here>" and I would be 100% ok with that. I am of course excluding all the stupid suggestions we've had before, the name change is a purely business decision so no, it wouldn't be called "Hull Tampons" etc. Hull marks it out as us. No one else is called that, just us, so yeah, that's important to me, the rest really is not. As long as there is a football club, with Hull in the name, playing in or around Hull, representing our city, I am perfectly happy. if anyone asks me who I support and I say "Hull" or "Hull City" or "The Tigers" or "Hull Tigers", they know exactly who I am talking about. If I say "City", they assume I mean Man City. As it happens, generally I answer "The mighty Tigers". Therefore, I have no issue or concern about losing "City" from my clubs name. I do not buy into the "football clubs aren't run this way" argument as I've said in another thread. Clubs like us are expected to make up the lower parts of the PL for a while, then get relegated. Or to gallantly fight in the CL. If we ended up in Div 1 or 2, that's also fine. We are after all, just little old Hull. Eternal underachievers. The "Top 6" are the ones expected to do well. It speaks volumes that people think still of Man Utd as being a top 6 team. We might have a good season, but, we are expected to return to the bottom, where we belong. This status is accepted by the majority, without question. Assem has a different vision for us, he's had a plan all along, and thus far he's delivered 100% on his promises for us. However, he is honest enough to know we've reached the limit of what we can achieve within our current funding, from him. He still wants more. He wants us to be a top 6 team. Sustainably, and long after he goes. To do that, he wants to change some established things, like the name. This will he believes (and I agree) will enable the club to be marketed as a global brand, not as a local, niche one. Is that standard football thinking? No of course not, the clubs already established in the sphere he wants us to be in, do not want the trough to be shared. They are registered on stock exchanges, they are massive money making machines and huge businesses globally, and if any other clubs suddenly cottoned on, they'll dip out. This situation is fed down to other fans and clubs and they all lap it up. After all, they do "OK" don't they? Muddling along. Making the numbers up. Simply doing well in the PL won't make us massively attractive financially. Winning the FA could have given a few weeks in the spotlight but long term, it does bugger all. Thinking a little minor success will make us well off long term is foolish. As he said in today's conference, not owning the stadium creates a massive hole in our potential income. Without our own stadium, we can't expand. We can't easily increase our income. So, we need other streams. Selling a few more pies or selling more stuff in the club shop will not help. It's a crying shame that HCC is represented by the self serving member it is. This was a glorious chance to do something for our club and for the people of Hull, and they screwed it up big time. If there's no chance of a change at HCC, I would support a move to a new stadium. Yes, even to Melton. I also don't buy into the history argument either. Living in the past is what Forest and TWS fans do. History is still there, but it should be behind you. You can gaze back at it, remember it, but to achieve anything, you have to look forwards, and sometimes, take a chance, or a gamble. Luckily for us, Assem took a gamble, a £20m one, which none of us could ever have done, and we're now, thanks to that, enjoying some great moments in our history. He has gone as far as he can with us, using his money and the current limited streams of income he can generate. He wants us to achieve, and be more, so, he has a plan for that. Breaking free from the shackles imposed on clubs like us will take a visionary, someone prepared to ignore the normal, accepted things, to do something no one expects. Assem is that visionary. He's been more wildly successful than anyone on here, than any other fans of our club, and he was prepared to risk his own money to do things no one else ever dared think about. Ridicule him all you want. Sure, he's not a great orator, but he is honest. Of course he doesn't come over all that well, especially when you have a pack of people waiting to pick every single word and phrase apart for their own agendas. If you just listened to what he is saying, all he wants to do is leave the people of Hull a lasting legacy, that is successful beyond any normal fans wildest dreams. Hardly a reason to mock him. Dare to dream? He is daring to dream in ways none of us ever would have. He is clever and more successful than almost all of us are. Hopefully this explains why I think the way I do. If you're happy revelling in mediocrity fine. That's your prerogative. Please stop being so naive to think that we can keep climbing up the league, earning a couple more million, in our current ground, with the TV money and be a successful club in the long term. We can't, that needs major cash. I believe the majority of fans, as long as they have a club to support, they feel at least similar to the way I feel. Keep it civil.
But he can't call the club what he wants, at least not to the wider football community or the body that governs the game that his team competes in. He can call it what he wants in private and in sound bites to the media, but risks the ire of his customers and the ridicule of students of the game. Until he is told he can change the name, that's the situation. If he gets ratification by the governing body the whole situation changes and whether you are a member of a pro or anti movement, essentially it will come down to a personal choice and the strength of your own convictions whether you then decide to support the club in that form, or not.
The thing is, whether you agree or disagree with the Hull Tigers bit, surely everyone agrees that the way he has handled himself over the past 9 months has been akin to some utter nut case mentaller, a couple of bizarre rants in the press, kicking off like a good 'un, but then smashing 35M + on players in the transfer window.....I think his heads gone a bit personally
"Assem can call the club what he wants. He paid for that right when he saved us from being wound up." The opening line was enough to discount the rest as bollocks. Sorry Happy.
I haven't read all of this yet but this is also wrong. There would still have been a football club in Hull and for a large city like this there will always be a professional one as well.
This is the best thing I have read pro name change or anti name change and I thank you for taking you time out to write this! unfortuntely the people against the name change don't wish to expand! I feel this is abit backwards, I have been watching hull from a very young age and there used to be people at boothferry walking around in liverpool shirts and man utd shirts, do I want to go back to them days, hell no! but amazingly, some hull fans do! people also question where the evidence of the money it will make, I find this very narrow minded, obviously hull tigers will achieve more globally than hull city! that is obvious to anyone I would of thought!
According to the processes set out by the governing body, he doesn't have the right to change the name no matter what he pays. He's done with the council? That'll be why he mentioned them in the opening few words of the statement and implied he considers our name to be shared with the council. You might not care about 'City' but the majority obviously do. Have a listen on Monday night. He hasn't delivered 100% at all. He promised he would walk away within 24 hours and he promised he would not change the badge (separately to when he stated that the badge would change, but with consultation from the fans, neither of which were true) among other things. If you genuinely believe there's a chance it'd make money then go ahead and explain that one, without an explanation it's a totally worthless claim. This is the point where Allam's argument fails to even exist and yours is the same unless you can come up with any reasoning. All that dramatic stuff about a visionary: yeah he had a vision of changing the name before he realised it was a stupid idea. Everyone told him it was a stupid idea with absolutely no merit yet he carries on regardless. Instead of being persuaded out of it his stance is hardened by the fact people disagree with him. Is that a good trait in any human being? Certainly not for the current custodian of our football club.
That makes no sense. It's the same ****e we get every so often from someone like you. How does not wanting to change the name mean we want to go back to being ****? How will changing the name make us any better or make any more money? If you can answer sensibly that then your post might have some merit. If you can't then **** off cos you're talking utter, utter bollocks.
you can't just say things are wrong, because you disagree! if hull had of gone into liquidation, the club would of gone back down the lagues we had come up, if your a man of tradition you will leanr that our tradition built us up the top, a name isn't the only thing that holds tradition, allam saved our tradition!
Not owning their ground isn't too much of a handicap for the 2 Milan clubs, Juventus until recently, Roma, Lazio, Bayern until recently as well. As for increased income, it appears we would have got £1 million more if we had managed to change our name which is hardly significant given the money coming in from SKY and a lot more than that for every league position higher we manage. The whole thing is a tragedy worthy of Shakespeare.The greatest period in our history should have the fans united in their adoration of the man who made it possible. The fact he has managed to alienate so many is truly sad.
One of his points seemed to be that he couldn't take us to that next level, and then he said his dream was top 5. That's a contradiction and I think the name saga is just a smokescreen. I don't believe he could make us top 5, he doesn't have the money and I doubt he ever would. Lower midtable is a possibility, but a richer owner is needed to fund anything higher.
In a strange way, I actually found him more likeable today. I don't support the Hull Tigers idea, never have, never will - but he seemed less of a...threat, somehow today. I considered him dangerous before. Unpredictable too (still is), and in fact spiteful. I've changed my mind on a couple of those. He almost seems harmless, in a buffoon sort of a way. Now, clearly, he still runs the club, so this is a worry. But I think to try to spin that odd show today into some sort of clever and savvy release, is just deluded. I feel I know where I am a bit more with him now. He's loopy, but not hostile. I think today will mark a fairly abrupt end to his public appearances and statements from now on.
we keep gettig the same thing back from you all, everyone that is anti name change just say the same thing, that we are talking ****e, or it makes no sense blah blah! you can't just say this!
Nah, he wants us to change the name because some company came in and asked him to change it. They offered £2m to change it & he accepted it thinking he'd pull the wool over the fan's eyes, and not get any resistance, because he'd delivered promotion the year before. £2m is nack all in this day and age. Deffo not worth something as fundamental as this. Look what happened when the fans & the FA said they were against it- the sponsor pulled out. This speaks volumes. That whole "world wide marketing" cobblers has worked on people like you who think he's a demi god, & can't do anything wrong. Man City have just taken over two teams and called them City, so it's obviously not too much of a unmarketable name then. And as for City finishing top 6? Keep dreaming mate. Furthermore, it is down to the council. He didn't get his way. He also expected the fans to back him to the hilt on that as well. And some did, until they found out he'd not actually offered any money for the ground, and wanted it virtually given to him for nothing. His PR and business techniques aren't obviously what he thinks they are. He's now lying to you about the arbitration, and his line on "if i don't sell the club i'll give them away" just baffles me.
