As the other threads have gone their predictable ways, and any attempt at comment or discussion is immediately washed away in a sea of anguish, I am going to explain what I believe the majority think. Sorry if this is too long for you to read, I've been careful to make it as neutral antagonising wise as possible given the subject.
Assem can call the club what he wants. He paid for that right when he saved us from being wound up. When he stopped us disappearing entirely, no more football club in Hull. However, he doesn't want to change the name to spite the council, he is genuinely done with them. Completely. I don't blame him for that. If HCC was to undergo a massive change, not only would it be good for the citizens of Hull, but our football club would also benefit.
For me, I don't care what the club is called, as long as it has "Hull" in the name. It could be called "Hull <anything you want here>" and I would be 100% ok with that. I am of course excluding all the stupid suggestions we've had before, the name change is a purely business decision so no, it wouldn't be called "Hull Tampons" etc. Hull marks it out as us. No one else is called that, just us, so yeah, that's important to me, the rest really is not.
As long as there is a football club, with Hull in the name, playing in or around Hull, representing our city, I am perfectly happy. if anyone asks me who I support and I say "Hull" or "Hull City" or "The Tigers" or "Hull Tigers", they know exactly who I am talking about. If I say "City", they assume I mean Man City. As it happens, generally I answer "The mighty Tigers". Therefore, I have no issue or concern about losing "City" from my clubs name.
I do not buy into the "football clubs aren't run this way" argument as I've said in another thread.
Clubs like us are expected to make up the lower parts of the PL for a while, then get relegated. Or to gallantly fight in the CL. If we ended up in Div 1 or 2, that's also fine. We are after all, just little old Hull. Eternal underachievers. The "Top 6" are the ones expected to do well. It speaks volumes that people think still of Man Utd as being a top 6 team. We might have a good season, but, we are expected to return to the bottom, where we belong. This status is accepted by the majority, without question.
Assem has a different vision for us, he's had a plan all along, and thus far he's delivered 100% on his promises for us. However, he is honest enough to know we've reached the limit of what we can achieve within our current funding, from him. He still wants more. He wants us to be a top 6 team. Sustainably, and long after he goes. To do that, he wants to change some established things, like the name. This will he believes (and I agree) will enable the club to be marketed as a global brand, not as a local, niche one.
Is that standard football thinking? No of course not, the clubs already established in the sphere he wants us to be in, do not want the trough to be shared. They are registered on stock exchanges, they are massive money making machines and huge businesses globally, and if any other clubs suddenly cottoned on, they'll dip out. This situation is fed down to other fans and clubs and they all lap it up. After all, they do "OK" don't they? Muddling along. Making the numbers up. Simply doing well in the PL won't make us massively attractive financially. Winning the FA could have given a few weeks in the spotlight but long term, it does bugger all. Thinking a little minor success will make us well off long term is foolish.
As he said in today's conference, not owning the stadium creates a massive hole in our potential income. Without our own stadium, we can't expand. We can't easily increase our income. So, we need other streams. Selling a few more pies or selling more stuff in the club shop will not help. It's a crying shame that HCC is represented by the self serving member it is. This was a glorious chance to do something for our club and for the people of Hull, and they screwed it up big time. If there's no chance of a change at HCC, I would support a move to a new stadium. Yes, even to Melton.
I also don't buy into the history argument either. Living in the past is what Forest and TWS fans do. History is still there, but it should be behind you. You can gaze back at it, remember it, but to achieve anything, you have to look forwards, and sometimes, take a chance, or a gamble. Luckily for us, Assem took a gamble, a £20m one, which none of us could ever have done, and we're now, thanks to that, enjoying some great moments in our history. He has gone as far as he can with us, using his money and the current limited streams of income he can generate. He wants us to achieve, and be more, so, he has a plan for that. Breaking free from the shackles imposed on clubs like us will take a visionary, someone prepared to ignore the normal, accepted things, to do something no one expects. Assem is that visionary. He's been more wildly successful than anyone on here, than any other fans of our club, and he was prepared to risk his own money to do things no one else ever dared think about.
Ridicule him all you want. Sure, he's not a great orator, but he is honest. Of course he doesn't come over all that well, especially when you have a pack of people waiting to pick every single word and phrase apart for their own agendas. If you just listened to what he is saying, all he wants to do is leave the people of Hull a lasting legacy, that is successful beyond any normal fans wildest dreams. Hardly a reason to mock him.
Dare to dream? He is daring to dream in ways none of us ever would have. He is clever and more successful than almost all of us are.
Hopefully this explains why I think the way I do. If you're happy revelling in mediocrity fine. That's your prerogative. Please stop being so naive to think that we can keep climbing up the league, earning a couple more million, in our current ground, with the TV money and be a successful club in the long term. We can't, that needs major cash.
I believe the majority of fans, as long as they have a club to support, they feel at least similar to the way I feel.
Keep it civil.
Assem can call the club what he wants. He paid for that right when he saved us from being wound up. When he stopped us disappearing entirely, no more football club in Hull. However, he doesn't want to change the name to spite the council, he is genuinely done with them. Completely. I don't blame him for that. If HCC was to undergo a massive change, not only would it be good for the citizens of Hull, but our football club would also benefit.
For me, I don't care what the club is called, as long as it has "Hull" in the name. It could be called "Hull <anything you want here>" and I would be 100% ok with that. I am of course excluding all the stupid suggestions we've had before, the name change is a purely business decision so no, it wouldn't be called "Hull Tampons" etc. Hull marks it out as us. No one else is called that, just us, so yeah, that's important to me, the rest really is not.
As long as there is a football club, with Hull in the name, playing in or around Hull, representing our city, I am perfectly happy. if anyone asks me who I support and I say "Hull" or "Hull City" or "The Tigers" or "Hull Tigers", they know exactly who I am talking about. If I say "City", they assume I mean Man City. As it happens, generally I answer "The mighty Tigers". Therefore, I have no issue or concern about losing "City" from my clubs name.
I do not buy into the "football clubs aren't run this way" argument as I've said in another thread.
Clubs like us are expected to make up the lower parts of the PL for a while, then get relegated. Or to gallantly fight in the CL. If we ended up in Div 1 or 2, that's also fine. We are after all, just little old Hull. Eternal underachievers. The "Top 6" are the ones expected to do well. It speaks volumes that people think still of Man Utd as being a top 6 team. We might have a good season, but, we are expected to return to the bottom, where we belong. This status is accepted by the majority, without question.
Assem has a different vision for us, he's had a plan all along, and thus far he's delivered 100% on his promises for us. However, he is honest enough to know we've reached the limit of what we can achieve within our current funding, from him. He still wants more. He wants us to be a top 6 team. Sustainably, and long after he goes. To do that, he wants to change some established things, like the name. This will he believes (and I agree) will enable the club to be marketed as a global brand, not as a local, niche one.
Is that standard football thinking? No of course not, the clubs already established in the sphere he wants us to be in, do not want the trough to be shared. They are registered on stock exchanges, they are massive money making machines and huge businesses globally, and if any other clubs suddenly cottoned on, they'll dip out. This situation is fed down to other fans and clubs and they all lap it up. After all, they do "OK" don't they? Muddling along. Making the numbers up. Simply doing well in the PL won't make us massively attractive financially. Winning the FA could have given a few weeks in the spotlight but long term, it does bugger all. Thinking a little minor success will make us well off long term is foolish.
As he said in today's conference, not owning the stadium creates a massive hole in our potential income. Without our own stadium, we can't expand. We can't easily increase our income. So, we need other streams. Selling a few more pies or selling more stuff in the club shop will not help. It's a crying shame that HCC is represented by the self serving member it is. This was a glorious chance to do something for our club and for the people of Hull, and they screwed it up big time. If there's no chance of a change at HCC, I would support a move to a new stadium. Yes, even to Melton.
I also don't buy into the history argument either. Living in the past is what Forest and TWS fans do. History is still there, but it should be behind you. You can gaze back at it, remember it, but to achieve anything, you have to look forwards, and sometimes, take a chance, or a gamble. Luckily for us, Assem took a gamble, a £20m one, which none of us could ever have done, and we're now, thanks to that, enjoying some great moments in our history. He has gone as far as he can with us, using his money and the current limited streams of income he can generate. He wants us to achieve, and be more, so, he has a plan for that. Breaking free from the shackles imposed on clubs like us will take a visionary, someone prepared to ignore the normal, accepted things, to do something no one expects. Assem is that visionary. He's been more wildly successful than anyone on here, than any other fans of our club, and he was prepared to risk his own money to do things no one else ever dared think about.
Ridicule him all you want. Sure, he's not a great orator, but he is honest. Of course he doesn't come over all that well, especially when you have a pack of people waiting to pick every single word and phrase apart for their own agendas. If you just listened to what he is saying, all he wants to do is leave the people of Hull a lasting legacy, that is successful beyond any normal fans wildest dreams. Hardly a reason to mock him.
Dare to dream? He is daring to dream in ways none of us ever would have. He is clever and more successful than almost all of us are.
Hopefully this explains why I think the way I do. If you're happy revelling in mediocrity fine. That's your prerogative. Please stop being so naive to think that we can keep climbing up the league, earning a couple more million, in our current ground, with the TV money and be a successful club in the long term. We can't, that needs major cash.
I believe the majority of fans, as long as they have a club to support, they feel at least similar to the way I feel.
Keep it civil.
