The EU debate - Part III

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remembercolinlee said:
Like I said mate...she is a Fascist... her party allows members to defend Hitlers Nazi's and denies the Holocaust.
She is (by the very definition of Fascist) anti democratic and as such nothing the nazi **** says is of use in this or any other debate.
I don't agree with the other video but don't question why you'd use it but I think using Le Pen is a mistake on your part.
Nazi's should only ever be treated with utter like the ****s they are.
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Are you saying that Marine Le Penn is a Nazi? If so why?
Andrew Neil showed that Diane Abbott is a racist. Should she be Shadow Foreign Secretary? Should she be allowed to stay in the Labour Party?
 
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remembercolinlee said:
A Fascist is completely different to any other political person. I can't stand certain parties but the are part of the democratic process ... the history of the 20th century shows this is not the case with Fascism.
Diane Abbott is an idiot imo but not a Fascist. The other video you posted is from a Tory. I have never and will never vote Tory but they ain't Fascists.
Therefore a similar approach does not apply to Abbot or any other democratic political person...because they are not Fascists.
As for what she says in the video...it is easy enough to find quotes from her and other leading members of her national front party by using Google
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It would be interesting if you could explain what she has said that you don't like? You seem to be saying: "There must be something somewhere".
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
That's as maybe, but over and above that, there's a chance she could be in power in France. That being the case, ignoring her would be even more foolish.

The fact Abbot gets away with a level of racism that Farage or LePenn couldn't is something else that shouldn't be ignored.

I do find the trend on here to target messengers not messages intriguing.
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It's so they don't have to try to think. Maybe that's a good thing.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
It's no good trying to claim some sort of mandate from the masses, it's hardly accurate anyway as everybody isn't claiming that anyway, and tedious fools like you put others off posting and that doesn't alter the fact you're just repeatedly posting childish abuse.
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that's what they think a forum is for
it's a way for inadequates to forget about their unhappy lives for a few hours
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Disagreeing with you is not the same as targeting you imo.

Le Pen (being a fascist) is not the same as other politicians...even racist ones.
I would never compare any views with Fascism. Churchill had some odious racist views but he was not a Fascist.
I can not stand Farage and find him to be against most things I believe in but he is not a Fascist.
Criticise Abbott or anyone else to your hearts content...it is all of our rights to do so. But Fascism is the exception...they are anti democratic to the very core.. they use it when it suits and crush it and everyone they perceive to be their enemy, or below them when they have power.
If we have learnt anything from history it is that treating Fascism as a legitimate part of the democratic political process is only going to end in dictatorship and the slaughter of innocent lives and genuine democracy.
Therefore (as i said in my first response to you) imo quoting that Fascist **** demeans your argument.
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I don't think you understand the point he was making.
He was pointing out that you simply criticise them for who they are and you are incapable of discussing what they say.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Disagreeing with you is not the same as targeting you imo.

Le Pen (being a fascist) is not the same as other politicians...even racist ones.
I would never compare any views with Fascism. Churchill had some odious racist views but he was not a Fascist.
I can not stand Farage and find him to be against most things I believe in but he is not a Fascist.
Criticise Abbott or anyone else to your hearts content...it is all of our rights to do so. But Fascism is the exception...they are anti democratic to the very core.. they use it when it suits and crush it and everyone they perceive to be their enemy, or below them when they have power.
If we have learnt anything from history it is that treating Fascism as a legitimate part of the democratic political process is only going to end in dictatorship and the slaughter of innocent lives and genuine democracy.
Therefore (as i said in my first response to you) imo quoting that Fascist **** demeans your argument.
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You act like Stalin and Mao didn't kill millions of people.
You have a very lopsided view of the world.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
I do not ignore Fascists...I actively oppose them and campaign against them when the ****ers stand in elections or attempt to march via my union and in my community.
Treating them as a regular politician legitimises them by making them sound like a legitimate part of the democratic process, which they are not.

As for bigger killers than Fascism ...
6 million Jewish men, women and children;
Hundreds of thousands of gays and lesbians;
Tens of thousands of socialists, trade unionists and German Labour party members;
Tens of thousands of disabled people;
Hundreds of thousands of other political and ideological opponents;
All of them slaughtered in concentration camps, shot, hung or beaten to death in fields, forests and towns.
All in a 6 year period.
And none of this includes the Tens of millions who died in the wars as soldiers or civilians ( the Spanish civil war and the 2nd world war). I think you are under estimating the severity of Fascism in these posts and by using her video.
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What has your rant relating to 70 years ago got to do with Marine Le Pen?
 
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PISKIE said:
17 comments in a row from Pete in his 4am meltdown <laugh>
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It's a ridiculous argument!

They're discussing fanatics, right or left wing. To me they're all the same, murderous dictators who eliminate all opposition.

Hitler - Stalin. I mean, where's the difference?...
 
Thank God Pete is alive. Someone like him really needs to be checked on more regularly by an economic migrant nurse and rushed to hospital to be cared for by economic migrant doctors when they inevitably go wrong.
 
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petersaxton said:
Do you always resort to insulting people?
Marine Le Penn has some very well made views. Can you tell me which of her views you disagree with and why?
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I do not "always insult people". Pointing out the Le Pen is a Fascist does not equate to me "always insulting people".
If you doubt she is a Fascist then look up articles on her and her party as they will clearly show the nature of her and her parties politics.
 
petersaxton said:
Are you saying that Marine Le Penn is a Nazi? If so why?
Andrew Neil showed that Diane Abbott is a racist. Should she be Shadow Foreign Secretary? Should she be allowed to stay in the Labour Party?
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I have already made it abundantly clear that I have no time for Abbott and have not defended her.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
I do not "always insult people". Pointing out the Le Pen is a Fascist does not equate to me "always insulting people".
If you doubt she is a Fascist then look up articles on her and her party as they will clearly show the nature of her and her parties politics.
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He's a fascist and a bigot hence his admiration for her.

When he can't explain his position (as he knows reasonable people will never agree with it) he resorts to insults.

He's laid his life bare on this forum. It's very sad and very small (apart from his actual size which is colossal).
 
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