The EU debate - Part III

Part of the argument of why the EU will bend over for the UK is because we won a war 70 years ago and had an Empire 100 years ago.

 

I see you are getting jealous.

 

This is Petes stock phrase for situations where his argument has failed and he will resort to insult rather than accept the point made.

 

Someone call a South London hospital and get a nurse on standby. Have a fine morning everyone.

 

Kustard is stupid. See my sig.

 

Jealous of what exactly Custard? A guy who proves, with every post he makes, that he has no social skills what so ever, or your increasing infatuation with him?

 

Stalin and Mao being worse than Fascism is an opinion not a fact. Some say that they were equal some say fascism was worse..they are also opinions. I did not give a view because I was not discussing it.
I was talking about the dangers of taking the words of Fascists and legitimising them as being part of the normal democratic process.
I happen to think that Fascism which deliberately tried to kill all Jewish people, disabled people, people with mental health problems, socialists, democracy supporters, non whites and started a second world war needs to be remembered in its own right when Fascism today is being discussed.
My only comment on was I do not know how many were killed because of Mao because I don't.
I am not a supporter or a defender of either and have not said anything that could be taken as such so I have no idea what you problem is with my view on Fascism and fascists

 

You complain about people insulting you and then post **** like this?
If you chose to take the words of a Fascist as being worthwhile that is up to you.

 

Never called her a racist I called her a Fascist. The two things are not the same.
In my view the Tories and UKIP can be racist but I do not think they are anything like a Fascist Party so are therefore part of the democratic process.
I have never voted for and never will vote for them but their aim is not the same as Hitler, Mussolini or Franco...Le Pen is a Fascist and her aims are the same, therefore she should be treated accordingly.
Fascism uses terror and violence ... it may pretend to be a regular party but as soon as it gets into power it crushes all democracy...Germany, Italy and Spain show this. Fortunately Fascism has not regained power so references to it tend to be from 70 yrs ago.
In my view people have the right to hold all sorts of views even if I think they are disgusting and visa versa.
Le Pen is the leader of a Fascist Party and is a Fascist.
Look up her and her parties history ... there all plenty of articles and books on the subject.
If you doubt that then that's your business

 

She's a Fascist...in my view fascists are ****s
Seems a very sensible point of view

 

Ffs! You dimwitted old ****!

So, maybe Mao murdered a few more people than Hitler. And you're here trying to play oneupmanship with mass murderers!..

Your mass murderers were worse than ours!

 

The bizarre thing is, I never defended anything Mao or Stalin did...I wasn't even discussing them.
I never understand the "well look at Stalin " response when the issue of Fascism is raised. Like you pointed out, it's like defending Fred West by bringing up the Yorkshire Ripper.
I find the fact that France (of all places) has people willing to vote for a Fascist Party really worrying...the French Front National have been up and down jn the polls since the very late 1980s and show no sign of going back to the sewers like the British BNP and NF before it.
Fascism should just be a historical issue rather than something that is still possible today.

 

So why are so many French wanting her as President?

 

You posted that video alongside the Ress Mogg one.

You posted the words of Ress Mogg because you agree with the idiot

Are we expected to believe that you posted the other one alongside it in some random act?

You patently posted it as you thought her words were something you associated with

 

He's a complete ****, mate.

Tries to deny his bigotry and fascist views in one breath, and then posts speeches by that ultra right wing fruitcake, Rees-Moggy!

Who he clearly admires as somebody to look up to!...

 

Says an inadequate right wing, xenophobic old fool

You prize ****

 

There aren't that many who will actually vote for her when it comes to it.

Only the said sort of idiots who voted for Farage...

 

Wish I knew the answer...I never understand how anyone can vote for a Fascist Party.

 

Post war, there were calls for Europe to become a single entity. Some movements rejected a federal state of Europe, preferring full integration. but with controls at the borders of Europe and the creation of a European Assembly.

It was seen as a protection against the influence of Russia and the US and their cold war battles. Prices were to be regulated by a central wage price mechanism. In the words of the proponents 'no lesser degree of union than that of an integral nation can give the will and power to act on the great scale.... No lesser space than all Europe, and the overseas possessions of Europe in a common pool, can give the room within which to act effectively. It proposed the community should become an almost organic body with major interest groups, or corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, joined on the basis of common interests

The EU has progressed these ideals, with protection of the monetary system implicated in the regime changes and influence in the middle east.

The proposers of this policy were criticised, as some members felt it was too politically central, and the British electorate at the time preferred a stronger anti-immigration policy.


It would look like a fair few of these policies have found their way to becoming invoked. Odd given these were the views of Mussolini and Oswald Mosely.

It gets a bit fuzzy when you simply pigeon hole politics.

 

What was that about those who chuck around insults again lard arse?

We label them racists and xenophobes as that's what they are.