The EU debate - Part III

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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I didn't quote her, I posted a video of her in debate. I passed no comment on whether I supported her views or not.

I don't see me as the target (in this instance) it was a general comment, which in that reply I meant the people in videos.
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Putting the video up is the same as quoting ... you used her words to explain her view of something.
At no point did I say or suggest that you agreed with her. I took it as a certainty that you do not support or agree with fascism. That's why I said it belittled your point to quote her (use her words).

I do not get your point about about me "targeting the messenger not the message" being "intriguing"...she is a Fascist so it is the responsibility of all those who oppose Fascism to oppose her.
There is nothing intriguing or strange about this. If I have misunderstood this point then apologies
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Putting the video up is the same as quoting ... you used her words to explain her view of something.
At no point did I say or suggest that you agreed with her. I took it as a certainty that you do not support or agree with fascism. That's why I said it belittled your point to quote her (use her words).

I do not get your point about about me "targeting the messenger not the message" being "intriguing"...she is a Fascist so it is the responsibility of all those who oppose Fascism to oppose her.
There is nothing intriguing or strange about this. If I have misunderstood this point then apologies
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Apology accepted.

I just feel dismissing the comments in one reply about Europe is short sighted, particularly if your justification is based on political ideology due to the death toll due to one regime.

I really don't want to get into a worst of the worst type debate, but Communism and the left blows Fascist death tolls to bits. Mao 60,000,000. Stalin 23,000,000. Pol pot etc etc. The point is nutters come in all sizes and colours.

It's more about the words on the EU than who said them.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Abbot says despite Mao being responsible for 60,000,000 deaths, "he did more good than harm".
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She a ****er.
I have no idea how many people died as a result of Mao. Or how they were worked out.
I have no idea what this post actually has to do with what I have said.
I do however know that over 60m people died in WW2
http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/fatalities
And it is even suggested that a further possible 50m civilians died in China in this war
http://www.nationalww2museum.org/le...ory/ww2-by-the-numbers/world-wide-deaths.html
Like I have said...you are down playing the extent of Fascism in our history and countering with Abbott spouting **** when they have nothing to do with each other and when I have stated I do not agree with her.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Apology accepted.

I just feel dismissing the comments in one reply about Europe is short sighted, particularly if your justification is based on political ideology due to the death toll due to one regime.

I really don't want to get into a worst of the worst type debate, but Communism and the left blows Fascist death tolls to bits. Mao 60,000,000. Stalin 23,000,000. Pol pot etc etc. The point is nutters come in all sizes and colours.

It's more about the words on the EU than who said them.
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We are never going to agree as you seem he'll bent of minimising the extent of Fascist brutality in our recent history so rather than it turning into a slanging match I am leaving this.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
She a ****er.
I have no idea how many people died as a result of Mao. Or how they were worked out.
I have no idea what this post actually has to do with what I have said.
I do however know that over 60m people died in WW2
http://secondworldwar.co.uk/index.php/fatalities
And it is even suggested that a further possible 50m civilians died in China in this war
http://www.nationalww2museum.org/le...ory/ww2-by-the-numbers/world-wide-deaths.html
Like I have said...you are down playing the extent of Fascism in our history and countering with Abbott spouting **** when they have nothing to do with each other and when I have stated I do not agree with her.
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I posted twice how many Mao was responsible for. I added others that show the consequences of other communist regimes. Not to excuse fascism, but to show it's their actions and nature, possibly more than their politics that should be looked at.

Focusing on one extreme risks missing worse ones.
 
remembercolinlee said:
We are never going to agree as you seem he'll bent of minimising the extent of Fascist brutality in our recent history so rather than it turning into a slanging match I am leaving this.
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I haven't minimised it, I'm putting it into context. A focus solely on one risks missing others equally bad or worse.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I posted twice how many Mao was responsible for. I added others that show the consequences of other communist regimes. Not to excuse fascism, but to show it's their actions and nature, possibly more than their politics that should be looked at.

Focusing on one extreme risks missing worse ones.
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See my last post...any further discussion is pointless imo.
 
remembercolinlee said:
See my last post...any further discussion is pointless imo.
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it was never really a discussion. You don't like fascists, and those you define as fascists. I get that. Your reasons for disliking them apply to other groups also, possibly more so, and the politics they represented are more readily accepted in our political system.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I claim that you haven't supported your allegations of xenophobia and bigotry. Your own cobblers in response supports that, particularly when your attempt at a 'definition' for bigotry shows you don't even understand what the word means.

Start thinking...<ok>
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Are you still arguing with the childish morons? They seem incapable of saying anything that approaches evidence that they have a life worth living.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
So we should dismiss the considered views of the pro EU Christopher Hitchins on Europe, because in other debates he advises people to kill radical muslims?
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But the morons are incapable of understanding views. They can't get past giving labels and then repeating them incessantly. Everybody they don't agree with is a racist and a bigot. If you ask them why they hold these views they say: "Because they are".
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Seems clear enough.


"Mr Rees-Mogg said he was “shocked” to learn of the group’s views and insisted he had never been a supporter or member.

“It’s undoubtedly embarrassing. I feel very silly. This was clearly a mistake,” he said. “I try to accept invitations from most people who ask me to speak. I could limit myself to just speaking to Conservative Associations, which would be safe but politics, is about speaking to a variety of views. But I wouldn’t want to be caught out in this way again.”
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It's interesting how Jacob Rees-Mogg can discuss things without resorting to tiresome abuse. It just shows how limited some people are.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
So you agree that he's a total moron and he attended a racist rally, despite knowing what it was?
Does this display horrible judgement or do you think he actually agrees with them, despite his denials?

I don't agree with Hitchens politically, but I haven't seen him say anything this obviously dodgy.
I can't seem to find a reliable source for the claims though, so I wondered if you had one.

He's opposed to marriage equality and claimed that David Cameron was rubbing in gay marriage, whatever that means.
His attempts to disassociate himself from a racist group appear to have been made after he was caught.
They're not very convincing to me, I'm afraid.
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What racist rally was that?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
He was told that they were a racist bunch of extremists and he attended anyway, after checking with Tory central.
How is that silly? It's either monumentally stupid or he didn't care.

Have you even watched the video or did you just see it elsewhere and post it on here?
What points did you think that she made well?
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I didn't watch the video because I watched the interview on Hardtalk. All her points were well made. Did you disagree with anything she said? If so, which bits and why did you disagree?
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
You can keep asking the same questions, it will only get the same replies.

I take his admission of being silly as enough.

I'm interested in others views on LePenns words, but yes, I've watched it.
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I don't see what is wrong with attending a dinner with a person who's views you disagree with. Trump and Clinton attended the a dinner together this week. It's what civilised people do. It's not like you know that Jacob Rees-Mogg said anything bad.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Le Pen is the leader of Fascist Party who share platforms with and defend Holocaust deniers and Hitler sympathisers.
Completely beyond me why anything that piece of **** says would be of interest to you.
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Do you always resort to insulting people?
Marine Le Penn has some very well made views. Can you tell me which of her views you disagree with and why?
 
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