The EU debate - Part III

[NSIS]

Quite funny that May gave her speech while the waiters were clearing up (ok I exaggerate), she got 5 mins and no one responded. Today she's told that negotiations will take place in French. They're ****ing with her

It's a ****ing joke, mate! I bet they're all pissing themselves behind the silly cow's back.,...

 

[DMD]

Nah! See, you're not only stupid, but not witty either.

Boring, again!..

Had a couple of beers now. We're all going for a Chinese!..a British Chinese, of course!..

Rule Brittania! Pip, Pip, Tally Ho!....

Nice to see you're getting in to the Spanish culture, even if you can't work out what a discussion forum's for..

 

[steveninaster1]

The Climate Change Regulations are International ones rather than from the EU particularly, but there is a common approach and the UK legislation is the UK Climate Change Act.

The farming and fishing regs are EU driven, and many farmers have tried to oppose them. It tends to be the larger industrial farms that favour them.

The EU is not as democratic as the UK Government for the reasons I mentioned in the earlier reply.

It's true that there is a push for more control of emissions at a global level but it's also true that th EU have gone beyond what has been agreed at that level and are helping lead the way in further action.

If Rees Mogg had his way we would by cheap imports that didn't require the controls imposed by the EU and that the EU imposes on goods imported into it. Ironically leaving the EU will not change those controls that we agreed to.

Yes Farmers and fishermen have opposed controls, doesn't make them wrong in my view. In the same way I don't see the EU as less democratic, even if the democracy is not through our parliament which appears to be your argument

 

[NSIS]

Nice to see you're getting in to the Spanish culture, even if you can't work out what a discussion forum's for..

Everybody here is telling you what a **** you are!

Still you don't get the message.,...

 

[DMD]

It's true that there is a push for more control of emissions at a global level but it's also true that th EU have gone beyond what has been agreed at that level and are helping lead the way in further action.

If Rees Mogg had his way we would by cheap imports that didn't require the controls imposed by the EU and that the EU imposes on goods imported into it. Ironically leaving the EU will not change those controls that we agreed to.

Yes Farmers and fishermen have opposed controls, doesn't make them wrong in my view. In the same way I don't see the EU as less democratic, even if the democracy is not through our parliament which appears to be your argument

How can it be demoncratic if you can't influence the political make up or change the leader, never mind influence the nuts and bolts at your own local level?

The UK has more stringent climate targets than those the EU require.

Farmers and fishermen object on economic and community grounds. They have a point.

 

[DMD]

Everybody here is telling you what a **** you are!

Still you don't get the message.,...

It's no good trying to claim some sort of mandate from the masses, it's hardly accurate anyway as everybody isn't claiming that anyway, and tedious fools like you put others off posting and that doesn't alter the fact you're just repeatedly posting childish abuse.

 

[NSIS]

It's no good trying to claim some sort of mandate from the masses, it's hardly accurate anyway as everybody isn't claiming that anyway, and tedious fools like you put others off posting and that doesn't alter the fact you're just repeatedly posting childish abuse.

Ok, I'll concede that Tubby and Kustard are on your side!

Everybody else things you're a twat!...

Back to the Chinese!

Oh, btw, the guys I'm with are Spanish. So, yes, I'm living the lifestyle...

 

[steveninaster1]

How can it be demoncratic if you can't influence the political make up or change the leader, never mind influence the nuts and bolts at your own local level?

The UK has more stringent climate targets than those the EU require.

Farmers and fishermen object on economic and community grounds. They have a point.

You can influence political make up and the senior officials in the EU are selected by the elected members. This is old ground.

The UK may claim it has more stringent targets but it is not even close to meeting them and recent changes have made that even more unlikely. They are largely irrelevant as to whether the control of emissions are a good thing across the EU (including us) or that the EU are a force for good in promoting emission reduction.

Farmers and fishermen object because they are restricted in their practices, we all do.. Still doesn't mean I agree that those restrictions should be lifted.

 

[DMD]

Ok, I'll concede that Tubby and Kustard are on your side!

Everybody else things you're a twat!...

Back to the Chinese!

Oh, btw, the guys I'm with are Spanish. So, yes, I'm living the lifestyle...

I feel honoured to have been childishly abused by the boards spokesperson. I'll wait excitedly for the next chapter in this fascinating saga.

Mind you, as for as your twat/**** referendum is concerned, I'm sure you'll understand if I just drip on demanding another vote.

 

[DMD]

You can influence political make up and the senior officials in the EU are selected by the elected members. This is old ground.

The UK may claim it has more stringent targets but it is not even close to meeting them and recent changes have made that even more unlikely. They are largely irrelevant as to whether the control of emissions are a good thing across the EU (including us) or that the EU are a force for good in promoting emission reduction.

Farmers and fishermen object because they are restricted in their practices, we all do.. Still doesn't mean I agree that those restrictions should be lifted.

As you say, it's old ground. I disagree wholeheartedly with your claims on each part and your justifications for them for the reasons I've already mentioned.

 

[remembercolinlee]

That's as maybe, but over and above that, there's a chance she could be in power in France. That being the case, ignoring her would be even more foolish.

The fact Abbot gets away with a level of racism that Farage or LePenn couldn't is something else that shouldn't be ignored.

I do find the trend on here to target messengers not messages intriguing.

Disagreeing with you is not the same as targeting you imo.

Le Pen (being a fascist) is not the same as other politicians...even racist ones.
I would never compare any views with Fascism. Churchill had some odious racist views but he was not a Fascist.
I can not stand Farage and find him to be against most things I believe in but he is not a Fascist.
Criticise Abbott or anyone else to your hearts content...it is all of our rights to do so. But Fascism is the exception...they are anti democratic to the very core.. they use it when it suits and crush it and everyone they perceive to be their enemy, or below them when they have power.
If we have learnt anything from history it is that treating Fascism as a legitimate part of the democratic political process is only going to end in dictatorship and the slaughter of innocent lives and genuine democracy.
Therefore (as i said in my first response to you) imo quoting that Fascist **** demeans your argument.

 

[DMD]

Disagreeing with you is not the same as targeting you imo.

Le Pen (being a fascist) is not the same as other politicians...even racist ones.
I would never compare any views with Fascism. Churchill had some odious racist views but he was not a Fascist.
I can not stand Farage and find him to be against most things I believe in but he is not a Fascist.
Criticise Abbott or anyone else to your hearts content...it is all of our rights to do so. But Fascism is the exception...they are anti democratic to the very core.. they use it when it suits and crush it and everyone they perceive to be their enemy, or below them when they have power.
If we have learnt anything from history it is that treating Fascism as a legitimate part of the democratic political process is only going to end in dictatorship and the slaughter of innocent lives and genuine democracy.
Therefore (as i said in my first response to you) imo quoting that Fascist **** demeans your argument.

I didn't quote her, I posted a video of her in debate. I passed no comment on whether I supported her views or not.

I don't see me as the target (in this instance) it was a general comment, which in that reply I meant the people in videos.

You clearly have strong opinions on her politics, but ignoring them doesn't make them go away. There are bigger killers than fascists, and Abbott was defending one of them on her discussion.

 

[NSIS]

Disagreeing with you is not the same as targeting you imo.

Le Pen (being a fascist) is not the same as other politicians...even racist ones.
I would never compare any views with Fascism. Churchill had some odious racist views but he was not a Fascist.
I can not stand Farage and find him to be against most things I believe in but he is not a Fascist.
Criticise Abbott or anyone else to your hearts content...it is all of our rights to do so. But Fascism is the exception...they are anti democratic to the very core.. they use it when it suits and crush it and everyone they perceive to be their enemy, or below them when they have power.
If we have learnt anything from history it is that treating Fascism as a legitimate part of the democratic political process is only going to end in dictatorship and the slaughter of innocent lives and genuine democracy.
Therefore (as i said in my first response to you) imo quoting that Fascist **** demeans your argument.

If I had as many people disagreeing with me and telling me I was wrong, I'd either get the message, or I'd think that maybe, just maybe, I was wrong.

But, Dull? Nah!...of course not!...

 

[DMD]

If I had as many people disagreeing with me and telling me I was wrong, I'd either get the message, or I'd think that maybe, just maybe, I was wrong.

But, Dull? Nah!...of course not!...

Thanks for thinking of me between courses. I imagine your guests are relieved you're diverted too.

Maybe you should be less thin skinned..oh and more observant.

 

[NSIS]

Thanks for thinking of me between courses. I imagine your guests are relieved you're diverted too.

Maybe you should be less thin skinned..oh and more observant.

My friends are fine, but thanks for your concern.

I observe that, as I stated earlier, the vast majority of posters here think you're a twat!...

Pity you don't observe that too!...

 

[DMD]

My friends are fine, but thanks for your concern.

I observe that, as I stated earlier, the vast majority of posters here think you're a twat!...

Pity you don't observe that too!...

You may also have observed that I find whether they do or not irrelevant.

You being more sensitive, should be a tad more in tune of the low opinion quite a few have on you and these tedious exchanges you keep initiating.

 

[remembercolinlee]

I didn't quote her, I posted a video of her in debate. I passed no comment on whether I supported her views or not.

I don't see me as the target (in this instance) it was a general comment, which in that reply I meant the people in videos.

You clearly have strong opinions on her politics, but ignoring them doesn't make them go away. There are bigger killers than fascists, and Abbott was defending one of them on her discussion.

I do not ignore Fascists...I actively oppose them and campaign against them when the ****ers stand in elections or attempt to march via my union and in my community.
Treating them as a regular politician legitimises them by making them sound like a legitimate part of the democratic process, which they are not.

As for bigger killers than Fascism ...
6 million Jewish men, women and children;
Hundreds of thousands of gays and lesbians;
Tens of thousands of socialists, trade unionists and German Labour party members;
Tens of thousands of disabled people;
Hundreds of thousands of other political and ideological opponents;
All of them slaughtered in concentration camps, shot, hung or beaten to death in fields, forests and towns.
All in a 6 year period.
And none of this includes the Tens of millions who died in the wars as soldiers or civilians ( the Spanish civil war and the 2nd world war). I think you are under estimating the severity of Fascism in these posts and by using her video.

 

[DMD]

I do not ignore Fascists...I actively oppose them and campaign against them when the ****ers stand in elections or attempt to march via my union and in my community.
Treating them as a regular politician legitimises them by making them sound like a legitimate part of the democratic process, which they are not.

As for bigger killers than Fascism ...
6 million Jewish men, women and children;
Hundreds of thousands of gays and lesbians;
Tens of thousands of socialists, trade unionists and German Labour party members;
Tens of thousands of disabled people;
Hundreds of thousands of other political and ideological opponents;
All of them slaughtered in concentration camps, shot, hung or beaten to death in fields, forests and towns.
All in a 6 year period.
And none of this includes the Tens of millions who died in the wars as soldiers or civilians ( the Spanish civil war and the 2nd world war). I think you are under estimating the severity of Fascism in these posts and by using her video.

Abbot says despite Mao being responsible for 60,000,000 deaths, "he did more good than harm".

 

[NSIS]

You may also have observed that I find whether they do or not irrelevant.

You being more sensitive, should be a tad more in tune of the low opinion quite a few have on you and these tedious exchanges you keep initiating.

Who's low opinion would that be? Yours presumably!!

Please feel free to point out any others, apart from Kustard or damp chair...

 

[NSIS]

Abbot says despite Mao being responsible for 60,000,000 deaths, "he did more good than harm".

Abbot is as big a loon as Rees-Mogg.