Match Day Thread Chelsea V Liverpool

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

So you expect robots? Players make errors, it's about minimising risk. Three errors in 10seconds is what raked in Chelsea's goal, not one individual error.

Yes, 3 individual errors.

Players aren't robots and expected to make errors every now and again but we make so many. I believe we have made the most defensive errors in the league for the past 2-3 years according to Opta.

We have conceded around 50 goals per season for the past 3 seasons - are you saying that it's ok because players aren't robots and errors are to be expected? I'm sorry but that's unacceptable.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

So the DM ending up at the LHS of the area at the byline wasn't interchanging or fluid movement?
Who was supposed to be marking Costa by the way, surely he must come in for some stick for letting him get a shot on goal?

Like I said earlier, there's a difference between intelligently running into space and losing your marker, vs simply running in. A straight line unopposed. Watch the goal again and tell me if you think Matic did anything special and that Henderson couldn't have done anything about it.

I agree with you that some goals are down to excellent attacking play, but the goal we conceded was not an example. We were very poor defensively - which is a shame because we had defended pretty well for majority of the match.

 

[Zanjinho]

Yes, 3 individual errors.

Players aren't robots and expected to make errors every now and again but we make so many. I believe we have made the most defensive errors in the league for the past 2-3 years according to Opta.

We have conceded around 50 goals per season for the past 3 seasons - are you saying that it's ok because players aren't robots and errors are to be expected? I'm sorry but that's unacceptable.

My response was to you talking about Matip only. Individuals make errors and whether you like it or not, you have to accept it.

So errors in a short space of time is different but it still happens at every team. As long as we minimise it (and win the game) then all is good

 

[mighty_stevie_g]

I think it's just more frustrating as we clearly aren't looking like the shambles we've been for the last 4 years defensively, we look solid, organised and in control.

BUT we are 5 games in without a clean sheet in the PL.

We also have to remember there has been chopping and changing going on due to injuries and Moreno being beyond ****, if we get that back 4 playing for a month solid the clean sheets will come.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

My response was to you talking about Matip only. Individuals make errors and whether you like it or not, you have to accept it.

So errors in a short space of time is different but it still happens at every team. As long as we minimise it (and win the game) then all is good

That is true but collectively, we are making far too many of those - and it's why we're conceding 50 goals a season.

 

[saintanton]

That is true but collectively, we are making far too many of those - and it's why we're conceding 50 goals a season.

I think we'll see an improvement in this regard this season, but it might take a bit of time to come together.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I think we'll see an improvement in this regard this season, but it might take a bit of time to come together.

I would agree in general with this. Just need consistency and team work. Just like up front we can't down tools and start lashing silly shots after 20mins cos a side sits deep.

Just need to execute the plan and understand the danger

 

[Rorschach]

Thought Lovren was poor overall but not sure what else he could have done for the goal.

As you say, the real issue was how easy Matic gone into the box and managed to pass to Costa.

your kidding right? Lovren, Matip and Clyne were all great. Milner got a bit of a run around but was as solid as he could be against someone with Willian's pace. Lovren played really well.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

your kidding right? Lovren, Matip and Clyne were all great. Milner got a bit of a run around but was as solid as he could be against someone with Willian's pace. Lovren played really well.

I wish I was kidding, I really wish I was

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I thought the whole of defence and midfield were solid defensively. Bar the mistakes for the goal Chelsea didn't threaten us at all. Matip was brilliant and Lovren was a steady 7 in my opinion. Won some headers, won some tackles, passed the ball simple. No one beat him in any one on ones.

 

[JonnyBaws]

That went well...
First half sublime..
Second half, they came into more, silly mistake/sloppy play be 3 players that lead to their goal, but other than that and a snap shot from Costa, we "saw out the game" rather well, which was a pleasant change from the norm..
Last year we'd have drawn or maybe lost that game, to early to say we've progressed but nice to see none the less!

Now watch us cock up against Hull!

 

[saintanton]

That went well...
First half sublime..
Second half, they came into more, silly mistake/sloppy play be 3 players that lead to their goal, but other than that and a snap shot from Costa, we "saw out the game" rather well, which was a pleasant change from the norm..
Last year we'd have drawn or maybe lost that game, to early to say we've progressed but nice to see none the less!

Now watch us cock up against Hull!

This is always my concern. For a while now we've managed to raise our game for the big teams then immediately flopped against one of the so-called "lesser" teams. These teams are no pushovers, and although we should beat them, we'll only do so if we maintain the same attitude and application that we have against the top teams.
Never take anyone for granted in this league, they're all capable of making you look stupid.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

This is always my concern. For a while now we've managed to raise our game for the big teams then immediately flopped against one of the so-called "lesser" teams. These teams are no pushovers, and although we should beat them, we'll only do so if we maintain the same attitude and application that we have against the top teams.
Never take anyone for granted in this league, they're all capable of making you look stupid.

Excellent point. I'm certainly in the when will the other shoe drop camp.

That noisy **** upstairs dropped one shoe and now its all good nice and quiet but you know you can't go to sleep until that other bloody shoe hits the floor.

since burnely we have been playing with intensity, a clear game plan we've stuck with and got result form. We've not gone behind in a game? we've socred early so have not panicked or changed our game plan or gave up on it since?

The tests I see are:

1. We concede like we did v burnely again. what do we do?
2. we don't score in first 1/2 hour. what do we do?

Irrespective of the opponents tactics IMO the answer is the same in overall approach. Keep the intensity up, keep faith their the game plan, keep playing as a team.

When we break we do so by becoming individuals lashing shots form all over not making the right runs, not keeping faith that ther eis time and the plan will work if we keep going.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Klopp said e prefers to lose v burnley knowing why they lost than win and have no idea how they won.

So it looks like he knows what went wrong and should be able to put across to the players.

 

[LuisDiazgamechanger]

That went well...
First half sublime..
Second half, they came into more, silly mistake/sloppy play be 3 players that lead to their goal, but other than that and a snap shot from Costa, we "saw out the game" rather well, which was a pleasant change from the norm..
Last year we'd have drawn or maybe lost that game, to early to say we've progressed but nice to see none the less!

Now watch us cock up against Hull!

Hull's results this season so far:

September 2016

Hull 1-4 Arsenal
Burnley 1-1 Hull
August 2016
Hull 0-1 Man Utd

Swansea 0-2 Hull
Premier League
Hull 2-1 Leicester

We cannot take them for granted, they are going to be up for this.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Klopp said e prefers to lose v burnley knowing why they lost than win and have no idea how they won.

So it looks like he knows what went wrong and should be able to put across to the players.

I agree I thought he was very clear that they had lots of ball but just stopped playing as a team and trying to break them down but all just lash pot shots and played as individuals

I don't think he minds the goals being conceded par se but the failue to play as a team allows burnley a dead easy ride

 

[astro]

Just rewatching the highlights and Sturridge's early shot spilled by Courtois. I thought initially it was held just by backspin, but it clearly stops dead only after falling into a deep goalline trench that's been dug out in violation of IFAB Laws of the Game #1.

 

[Tobes]

Hull's results this season so far:

September 2016

Hull 1-4 Arsenal
Burnley 1-1 Hull
August 2016
Hull 0-1 Man Utd

Swansea 0-2 Hull
Premier League
Hull 2-1 Leicester

We cannot take them for granted, they are going to be up for this.

They're ****

 

[JonnyBaws]

They're ****

Which is exactly why they'll beat us!

 

[LuisDiazgamechanger]

Which is exactly why they'll beat us!

They prevented us from being Champion once.