McLaren New Manager?

[Warmir Pouchov]

Wonder what JPF thinks of that?

He's too busy being infected

Well I'm glad you asked

Quite frankly it's ludicrous people don't see a link between teams that sign relegated players, and how **** they do as a result. To me that's like someone believing in God and the bible and all that ****, when scientists prove infront of you that the Earth is just a few billion years older than that holy pile of steaming wisdom dictates. It's like people who see fossilized evidence of evolution, and insist otherwise.

It is a genuine, undisputed fact that players who have experienced relegation in their careers have not subsequently been signed by the top four and become a world beater. They aren't "great players being let down by an average team around them", what utter ballnuts. Poor players are elevated by better players. Poor sides are dragged into mediocrity by good players. Relegated sides fail because they don't have match-winners, the box in which whichever player in that squad you pick firmly sits. Seriously, before someone bothers to form an opinion along the lines of signing players from relegated sides is a good idea, they should at least look at all the sides that have signed such players in the last decade, and what happened to them subsequently. Answer, in all cases, is relegation or flirting with relegation continuously (and then relegation).

Come on, where the **** is the calls to sign Curtis Davis (2 X relegated)? What about ****ing Snodgrass (2 X relegated)?

A Mackem having a thought contrary to this is just ridiculous as well, while we're on it. Fletcher, Larsson, Gomez? World Class talent, ladies and gents. Bunch of clogging ****e. What about Altidore? What about Gardner? What about David Vaughan? That's just the last couple of ****ing seasons.
And how have Sunderland managed (barring a few games where Newcastle failed to turn up)...? Flirting with relegation. That's what buying this crap gets you.

Yes. I can clearly see the "they're quality" argument

The closest, and I say that in hilarity, anybody has got to being relegated and then making a decent career for themselves at a higher level, was lard-arse Bent

More bad ones than good but I think my little list above renders the one size fits all approach as absolutely stupid. Now you **** off and read your bible

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

He's too busy being infected



More bad ones than good but I think my little list above renders the one size fits all approach as absolutely stupid. Now you **** off and read your bible

Teeny bopping Carrick is the only decent one you actually mentioned... I forgot about him. You can piss off with the rest! Defoe
and Glen Johnson

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Teeny bopping Carrick is the only decent one you actually mentioned... I forgot about him. You can piss off with the rest! Defoe
and Glen Johnson

Have both plied their trade with reasonable success at top 6 clubs since being relegated. Cassano? Now come on, the boy is lunatic but he's bloody talented. Juninho? He was talented. Lamela? Its silly to dismiss them all.

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

Bit of bible chit chat for you

 

[Beardsley's Rancid Sack]

Not at all we moved Nolan and Carroll on at the right time. Barton is a difficult one because he didn't make it easy. This thing where people "well look he keeps getting relegated" is nothing short of moronic. Good players get relegated and play in poor sides! Either through playing with **** players or being poorly managed. Gary Cahill is alright. Joe Cole got relegated before he joined Chelsea, he was decent there. Defoe, Carrick, Glen Johnson, Di Canio. James Milner got relegated. Shane Long got relegated. Kanu got relegated. Pierre Van Hooiidonk. Juninho. Erik Lamela got relegated. Antonio Cassano got relegated. It has happened right throughout the years as far back as year dot football wise.

So while I wouldn't go buying all my players from relegated sides. The problem wasn't selling those players, it was not replacing them with another band of solid pros who were committed to the club (whether from home or abroad, but more likely home)

You have a hard on for not having domestic players, and seem to think they are all cloggers. Yet only one side in PL winning history has not had a solid core of home based players - even then Arsenal had a few key components. Ah the 5th place season, yeah we did have a solid core of steady pros though didn't we? I could have sworn Simpson, Krul, Raylor, Williamson, Saylor, Perch, Best, Guthrie all played fairly significant roles that season Those solid pros eh, absolute nightmares.

Its simply about knowing when you've bled them dry and then moving them on, and replacing them with another band. Or better still, have bought a band of talented young domestic talent and developed ready to take over.

I think I've just holes in your argument the size of Obis arse.

Cahill - Good Player but good defenders come rare in relegation fodder.

Joe Cole - was alright years ago

Defoe - crocked, looked good against us which means nothing

Carrick - alright I guess

Johnson - Just **** off

Di Canio - Massive ****

Milner - Overrated beyond belief imo but each his own I guess

Long - No

Kanu - Unsanctioned legs

Van Hooiidonk : You really have gone ****ing mental

 

[TheJudeanPeoplesFront]

Have both plied their trade with reasonable success at top 6 clubs since being relegated. Cassano? Now come on, the boy is lunatic but he's bloody talented. Juninho? He was talented. Lamela? Its silly to dismiss them all.

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

Bit of bible chit chat for you

Cassano?! Has he scored 100 league goals yet?! ****ing white Shola is what I call him I believe he's on a free by the way (Cassano, not Shola)... would you take him? I bloody wouldn't touch him with yours!

I can't believe you rate Lamela? The blindest, most deluded Spurs fan would have difficulty spinning the Lamela myth any further. More overpriced **** under Levy.

Juninho. I'm curious, was it his amazing spell at Celtic, or his disgraced return to South America that makes you think he was a worldy? He was a decent player, but if he was any good, he would have been at a top four club in his career.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Kanu - Unsanctioned legs

Not taking sides in this debate - just taking a moment to appreciate the most skillful put down of a player I have read in months - nay years!

 

[Prince Isak (GG)]

When we got relegated we has some so called good players. Like colo, Jonas, Owen, duff, martins, a fit Taylor, given, Enrique, butt, insomnia. The list is endless and that season when we went down some of them players where supposed to be worldies. It was the back room crap that ultimately got us relegated and bad management. Did Some of these players move on to have solid careers. No, but they had mid table careers and right now i have our take that for a couple of seasons.

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

When we got relegated we has some so called good players. Like colo, Jonas, Owen, duff, martins, a fit Taylor, given, Enrique, butt, insomnia. The list is endless and that season when we went down some of them players where supposed to be worldies. It was the back room crap that ultimately got us relegated and bad management. Some of these players move on to have solid careers.

Who?

 

[Prince Isak (GG)]

Who?

I changed my post. Clicked post rely before I was finished. Doing this on an iPhone in bed with fecking man flu.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I have clearly forgotten we are a top 4 side who should be signing world beaters only.

JPF and BRS - this miserable gay liaison will end in tears you know

 

[Toon_Man_Sam1]

I have clearly forgotten we are a top 4 side who should be signing world beaters only.

JPF and BRS - this miserable gay liaison will end in tears you know

If a Gay Liaison doesnt end in tears then your doing it wrong!

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I don't think Gary Cahill's ever been relegated, wasn't relegated at Bolton, they probably dropped because he left.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I don't think Gary Cahill's ever been relegated, wasn't relegated at Bolton, they probably dropped because he left.

No he would would fall under the teams performing poorly category. I think he left in the January when they were relegated. He certainly didn't look any great shakes at Villa, and then Bolton were performing poorly despite his best efforts. There are not many you'd want from relegated or poorly performing sides, but they can work. I'm sure Benteke and Vlaar could do elsewhere for instance. I'm sure Sissoko, Janmaat or Perez could do well elsewhere.

Not just in ability terms either, some managers can make players look worse than they are. Get them with an SAF or Mourinho etc, who actually know how to man manage people to get them into a good mental place to perform, all of a sudden they don't look inconsistent or flash in the pan. Joe Cole was a bright prospect at West Ham, but all too often he flattered to deceive. Mourinho gets hold and he starts to actually affect results.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

No he would would fall under the teams performing poorly category. I think he left in the January when they were relegated. He certainly didn't look any great shakes at Villa, and then Bolton were performing poorly despite his best efforts. There are not many you'd want from relegated or poorly performing sides, but they can work. I'm sure Benteke and Vlaar could do elsewhere for instance. I'm sure Sissoko, Janmaat or Perez could do well elsewhere.

Not just in ability terms either, some managers can make players look worse than they are. Get them with an SAF or Mourinho etc, who actually know how to man manage people to get them into a good mental place to perform, all of a sudden they don't look inconsistent or flash in the pan. Joe Cole was a bright prospect at West Ham, but all too often he flattered to deceive. Mourinho gets hold and he starts to actually affect results.

Cherry picking players from relegated teams can be beneficial I'd say, providing you don't take too many of them in, in one go. The ones to watch out for are the lads who are good on paper but not prepared to graft. Look at Bruce getting Ben Arfa and Gaston Ramirez... two talented players who'd win any game if they were in form, yet two huge cancerous players to have in and around a team evidently.

James McCarthy is a good example of a player who was picked from a relegated side, but the others Martinez signed from Wigan, Alcaraz, Kone... ****.

Loic Remy another good example.

 

[Beardsley's Rancid Sack]

JPF and BRS - this miserable gay liaison will end in tears you know

You only wish it was a triumvirate with you in the middle getting spitroasted you sick deviant ****.

 

[Toon_Man_Sam1]

Cherry picking players from relegated teams can be beneficial I'd say, providing you don't take too many of them in, in one go. The ones to watch out for are the lads who are good on paper but not prepared to graft. Look at Bruce getting Ben Arfa and Gaston Ramirez... two talented players who'd win any game if they were in form, yet two huge cancerous players to have in and around a team evidently.

James McCarthy is a good example of a player who was picked from a relegated side, but the others Martinez signed from Wigan, Alcaraz, Kone... ****.

Loic Remy another good example.

I think there is a running theme with the majority of players that go on to do well after leaving a relegated team. One big factor is age, a young player showing promise in a relegated side is initially a good sign for instance Darnell Furlong played a few games for QPR and looked bright and only due to be 20 in October.

The other big characteristisc is their mentality to fight, Ben Arfa and Gaston arent fighters, the same could be said for a lot of the QPR players in particular. The british based tended to show heart, Clint Hill (limited in technical ability), joey barton (downward sprial). I think if some of the foreign inports showed the same kind of fight they would have stayed up. Now they are not worth considering going forward as they have shown they have no spine!

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I think there is a running theme with the majority of players that go on to do well after leaving a relegated team. One big factor is age, a young player showing promise in a relegated side is initially a good sign for instance Darnell Furlong played a few games for QPR and looked bright and only due to be 20 in October.

The other big characteristisc is their mentality to fight, Ben Arfa and Gaston arent fighters, the same could be said for a lot of the QPR players in particular. The british based tended to show heart, Clint Hill (limited in technical ability), joey barton (downward sprial). I think if some of the foreign inports showed the same kind of fight they would have stayed up. Now they are not worth considering going forward as they have shown they have no spine!

I'd agree with that.

Look at the QPR squad that was relegated in 12/13. I couldn't believe how poorly that team played looking at the players, the likes of Granero in there, a Real Madrid regular almost. Then you look in hindsight, none of them (Remy aside) have really done anything since, they just don't have the graft in them.

The reason for the sale to QPR fast becomes apparent.

It only takes a couple of these types to ruin a squad harmony, QPR had a bucket full of them.

 

[Beardsley's Stylist]

Wow! This thread has gone off at a bit of tangent.

When Pardew was appointed I was extremely underwhelmed. With McLaren I'm indifferent.

 

[Beardsley's Rancid Sack]

Wow! This thread has gone off at a bit of tangent.

When Pardew was appointed I was extremely underwhelmed. With McLaren I'm indifferent.

Far worse with Pardew mate. That was laughter mixed with total disbelief and hatred. With McClaren, I'm not doing cartwheels but I'm not smashing my head off the keyboard either.

 

[Sheikh_of_Araby]

Speaking of McClaren - Sky sources are reporting that he is to be appointed today. Also, he's demanded his own backroom staff and Beardsley apparently is in line for a promotion. The latter is probably bollocks, but if the appointment of McClaren [who is underwhelming] is confirmed and it leads to Carver, Stone and Woodman leaving then there is some comfort in him taking the job.