Altidore offered in exchange for Defoe

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Well said, I fear you are wasting your time though. Like you say, Hernandez cost them more than Defoe cost us. Says it all really.

I like Defoe and, in our current situation would have had him in a heartbeat; come the summer and pressure off he would not have been on my pick list. Let's see, when Hernandez gets a run with Jelavic (it's been very limited) what the end of season brings.

By the way, we're okay on here, just as your mate says (later); but expect the odd kick in the bollocks, if only just for. . . . well, the hell of it. <ok>
 
I like Defoe and, in our current situation would have had him in a heartbeat; come the summer and pressure off he would not have been on my pick list. Let's see, when Hernandez gets a run with Jelavic (it's been very limited) what the end of season brings.

By the way, we're okay on here, just as your mate says (later); but expect the odd kick in the bollocks, if only just for. . . . well, the hell of it. <ok>

I have no problem with this board or any poster anywhere on the internet. ****s and giggles.

I think, like us, you have just enough quality to see you safe. In all honesty, I'd get rid of Bruce at the end of the season, he's been there a few years and it's about now it starts to go horribly wrong <ok>
 
Defoe has 1 goal in his last 19 Premier League games, Hernandez has 3 in his last 13. They're also his first ever 13 in English football.

Some are a little too hasty to write off our players. As stated above, Defoe is not quite the 'guaranteed goals' you might think and when his contract ends he'll be a few months off turning 36. Even if Hernandez flops he'll have sell on value.

The grass is always greener...

If you look it properly he only started 5 of those games, 3 of which in 13/14 season when Soldado got of to a flyer scoring 6 in their first 10 games (Europa game included)

I'll wait till he's had a few games before I can paint a picture
 
If you look it properly he only started 5 of those games, 3 of which in 13/14 season when Soldado got of to a flyer scoring 6 in their first 10 games (Europa game included)

I'll wait till he's had a few games before I can paint a picture

I'm not saying Defoe isn't a good player, I was just pointing out that the assumption that he'll score for fun is perhaps not quite so cut and dry. Starts or not, 1 in 19 is a poor record and those who criticise our front men rarely point out how many of their appearances were off the bench.
 
I'm not saying Defoe isn't a good player, I was just pointing out that the assumption that he'll score for fun is perhaps not quite so cut and dry. Starts or not, 1 in 19 is a poor record and those who criticise our front men rarely point out how many of their appearances were off the bench.

Who's said that like? He's good goal scorer but never scored for fun. Not going to start in his 30s
 
Who's said that like? He's good goal scorer but never scored for fun. Not going to start in his 30s

There seems to be a consensus among many when they hear the name Defoe that goals are a given. I suspect a lot of people weren't aware of the 1 goal in 19 stat. I rate Defoe but I'm almost certain he wouldn't have got the contract you've given him from a club in the summer.
 
There seems to be a consensus among many when they hear the name Defoe that goals are a given. I suspect a lot of people weren't aware of the 1 goal in 19 stat. I rate Defoe but I'm almost certain he wouldn't have got the contract you've given him from a club in the summer.

Does there? You know consensus means general opinion and you opened with 'scoring for fun'. Never mind, doesn't really matter does it?:P

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I'm not saying Defoe isn't a good player, I was just pointing out that the assumption that he'll score for fun is perhaps not quite so cut and dry. Starts or not, 1 in 19 is a poor record and those who criticise our front men rarely point out how many of their appearances were off the bench.

I agree with you on Defoe 'rose' but how good are 'our front men' when they have to come off the bench rather than getting a start. I am fast losing faith with Hernandez as (just my opinion) but a 10 million quid player should not be 'coming off the bench' and he should be able to put in a full 90 minute shift. He has shown a few 'deft' touches but to me he is a few noodles short of a stir-fry.
 
Oh soz, I didnt mean it quite like that, or actually, I didn't mean to get a reaction like that. Someone, you I thought, had made a comment about swapping two players of similar value/cost whatever and one is way better. Thats really preaching to the converted on here. We loved Altidore, we wanted to worship him, but honestly he looked as bad for us 7 years ago as he has done for you recently. Seems such a shame, he's not a bad lad, just seems a little lacking for a striker. Im sure we can agree on that?

Cost wise sure, hes similar I imagine (we never know these things, its all speculation) as Hernandez but Abel is needing time to adjust to the English game, plus hes injured. I still believe he was a sound buy and will come good.

Defoe is of course a great striker, or at least he was. Bit of a gamble to see if he can still cut it in the English PL, but one well worth it Id say and honestly, I'm jealous you've got him. He is still costing you a fortune every week for 3 1/2 years which ever way you look at it.

To get the best out of him though, you need a creative midfielder, which you do not have at the mo. Wickham might be that player at some point but he aint there yet.

What formation do you think you'll go with? 4-4-2? Who going to be his strike partner? Plus 4-4-2 hasnt been that great for you has it? If you play him as a lone striker, yes I think he can bang them in, providing he gets the ball, and therein lays the problem for you with your current team.

To the Mackems - How many shots did you have on target? What formation did you play? How come a fully fit Defoe couldn't score? Im not Wumming you, I just think you need more than just a Defoe to win you games, you, similar to us in fact, need a decent midfielder who can actually get the ball to the striker.

Being replaced by Graham too...kinell thats gotta hurt.
 
To the Mackems - How many shots did you have on target? What formation did you play? How come a fully fit Defoe couldn't score?
Im not Wumming you
, I just think you need more than just a Defoe to win you games, you, similar to us in fact, need a decent midfielder who can actually get the ball to the striker.

Being replaced by Graham too...kinell thats gotta hurt.

<whistle>
 
Honestly Smug. 4-4-2 I believe now? How come you didn't have a dozen shots on goal?

I'll hold my hands up to being a bit wummy with the Graham comment, but that is a ****ter, imagine being taken off on the basis he might add something else to the game! :p
 
Honestly Smug. 4-4-2 I believe now? How come you didn't have a dozen shots on goal?

I'll hold my hands up to being a bit wummy with the Graham comment, but that is a ****ter, imagine being taken off on the basis he might add something else to the game! :p

Because Spurs are really good I suppose, just battered Chelsea at home.

Graham might yet have a part to play in the squad, he isn't as bad as some people think.
 
Oh come on, now you ARE taking the piss!

No, he'll play against Fulham, in the FA Cup, and will be on the bench against Burnley.
He can score at this level, it's just a case of how we set up and whether we're home or away.

I've absolutely slated Graham but I've noticed a change in him over his last two appearances.
 
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To the Mackems - How many shots did you have on target? What formation did you play? How come a fully fit Defoe couldn't score? Im not Wumming you, I just think you need more than just a Defoe to win you games, you, similar to us in fact, need a decent midfielder who can actually get the ball to the striker.

Being replaced by Graham too...kinell thats gotta hurt.

If you think he's fully fit, you clearly do, then you're a ****ing idiot <doh>