MP saddened by cup fallout

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I do kind of agree with you Os, but then our manager is also young and relatively inexperienced too. I think he should be given the opportunity to learn from perceived mistakes as well.

I agree. In which case the fans backlash can be construed constructive as it will teach him to think more carefully about the FA cup next year :)
 
It's not the defeat that's disappointing. As a lifelong saints fan I can obviously live with those. It's the going down without a fight. If our first 11 had lost that game, I would be saying fair play, we went for it and had a bad day at the office.
But it was a crap team selection which undermined us before the game had even started so I am annoyed that we have gone out of the FA cup when a load of ****e teams are still in it. We had a genuine chance to go to wembley. I don't see how anyone can defend MP on this. He has done barely anything wrong since he came in, but Saturday was a big error of judgement.
And whoever quoted me as pointing out that JWP wasn't great, you're putting words in my mouth. I thought he did Ok, but he's 19 and barely played at CM for us at this level. My opinion is that Wanyama is massively rusty, the two shouldn't have been played at the same time. One or the other. I said it as soon as I saw the team sheet.

May as well close the saints board on not606 if we can't have a discussion about positives and negatives

May aswell close it if we can't question your criticism; works both ways.
 
May aswell close it if we can't question your criticism; works both ways.

But you weren't questioning my criticism though you were being massively patronising/sarcastic, when in actual fact I was raising relevant points.
 
But you weren't questioning my criticism though you were being massively patronising/sarcastic, when in actual fact I was raising relevant points.

Still my point is valid. You make a point. People are entitled to disagree and defend player/manager/ whoever.

Sometimes sarcasm is just a vehicle to emphasise a point. I have made the same point time and time again this week. Not the best team selection coupled with **** performances. Your post seems to lay most if not all the blame with MP. I disagreed with sarcasm.
 
Given the available players, he took the spine out of the team, and then some of you cover up why the team played without a spine.. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.. Wrong team, **** display.. Don't do it again..
 
Still my point is valid. You make a point. People are entitled to disagree and defend player/manager/ whoever.

Sometimes sarcasm is just a vehicle to emphasise a point. I have made the same point time and time again this week. Not the best team selection coupled with **** performances. Your post seems to lay most if not all the blame with MP. I disagreed with sarcasm.

I'm not sure if you're being patronising on purpose or if it's jus coming off that way. I understand how debates work FLT. I'm not 12.

I'm glad you feel the need to stick up for the managers team selection, I really am. I now know to take your posts in match threads with a pinch of salt, as you'll just be pleased about absolutely everything. See, I can make generalisations and be patronising as well.
 
I'm not sure if you're being patronising on purpose or if it's jus coming off that way. I understand how debates work FLT. I'm not 12.

I'm glad you feel the need to stick up for the managers team selection, I really am. I now know to take your posts in match threads with a pinch of salt, as you'll just be pleased about absolutely everything. See, I can make generalisations and be patronising as well.

I didn't find your post patronising at all. I just have posted my opinion. You took it the way you took it.

Now if you read my posts you'd see that I thought the team section wasn't the best, but that wasn't the total reason for the performance.
 
Pochettino was at fault because he selected the team? so it doesn't matter if the team played like ****? It doesn't matter these players should be up for a cup game. It's all Pochettino's as he decided to rest a few players. It doesn't matter if Lallana, Lambert missed good chances and the team played like crap as Pochettino decided to play Hooiveld.

Am I saying this right?
 
Fair play to Pochettino for coming out and defending himself and the team against some over the top criticism.

Yes it was a disappointing and limp exit from the cup, but it was a lack of quality over a lack of effort which lost us the game and that lack of quality was evident in parts against Stoke & Hull where we struggled to break those teams down barring set pieces and upfront the only change on Saturday was Guly for a largely sub par Rodriguez.
Probably the biggest selection mistake was sacrificing both Morgan & Jack. JWP didn't have a great game and we didn't control possession as we usually would.

Pochettino has been widely praised for not being afraid to play young English players and yet the hand which pats him on the back is now carrying a stick to beat him with.

Yes he got it wrong, we all know it(including himself), but he is fighting his corner and passionately backing his squad and I was encouraged by him saying that he hopes to get the squad stronger to go for silverware next season.
 
Pochettino was at fault because he selected the team? so it doesn't matter if the team played like ****? It doesn't matter these players should be up for a cup game. It's all Pochettino's as he decided to rest a few players. It doesn't matter if Lallana, Lambert missed good chances and the team played like crap as Pochettino decided to play Hooiveld.



Am I saying this right?

No, you're not. For starters, who said it doesn't matter if the team play like ****?
 
Pochettino has been widely praised for not being afraid to play young English players and yet the hand which pats him on the back is now carrying a stick to beat him with.

I don't see it that way. He wasn't bravely giving a chance to young English players, and he's trying to pull a bit of a fast one by conflating the two issues. JWP aside, with Cork and Rodriguez dropped the team had fewer young English players than usual.
 
The point that Mauricio made that wasn't in the article was that he was saddened that fans disrespected the players not usually in our side. He said they are all part of our squad, so he was upset that fans acted as if they were no hopers. I think he picked a side that he considered were good enough to win the game (remember Sunderland's league position and Poyet's stated intention to change their side), the team played badly and didn't take their chances, and he and the team were disappointed. It's as simple as that (according to a famous guru).

Boruc never even travelled, so I bet he was unwell/injured...otherwise I'm sure he would have been taken in case Davis was injured/sent off. Why question his statement that JRod was less than 100%...it happens...not suggesting that it was the case, but airsickness can make you feel awful for a day or two. I think a few people think that just because they could get up after a rough night and run round a public football ground with their mates, so should a professional footballer. These people are monitored closely and no risks are taken. Would JRod have played if it was the last game of the season and we needed to avoid relegation or get a CL spot...possibly...would he play in this game when another player was fit...probably not.

If we look at who actually played who rarely does...it boils down to Davis and Guly...and possibly JWP (though he played a lot earlier in the season). We are disappointed...but no one died.
 
The point that Mauricio made that wasn't in the article was that he was saddened that fans disrespected the players not usually in our side. He said they are all part of our squad, so he was upset that fans acted as if they were no hopers. I think he picked a side that he considered were good enough to win the game (remember Sunderland's league position and Poyet's stated intention to change their side), the team played badly and didn't take their chances, and he and the team were disappointed. It's as simple as that (according to a famous guru).

Boruc never even travelled, so I bet he was unwell/injured...otherwise I'm sure he would have been taken in case Davis was injured/sent off. Why question his statement that JRod was less than 100%...it happens...not suggesting that it was the case, but airsickness can make you feel awful for a day or two. I think a few people think that just because they could get up after a rough night and run round a public football ground with their mates, so should a professional footballer. These people are monitored closely and no risks are taken. Would JRod have played if it was the last game of the season and we needed to avoid relegation or get a CL spot...possibly...would he play in this game when another player was fit...probably not.

If we look at who actually played who rarely does...it boils down to Davis and Guly...and possibly JWP (though he played a lot earlier in the season). We are disappointed...but no one died.

Fran. Voice of reason. Thanks
 
Given the available players, he took the spine out of the team, and then some of you cover up why the team played without a spine.. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.. Wrong team, **** display.. Don't do it again..

Amen..and that really should be the final word on the matter, before we all move on.

Fat ****ing chance though, obviously.
 
And whoever quoted me as pointing out that JWP wasn't great, you're putting words in my mouth. I thought he did Ok, but he's 19 and barely played at CM for us at this level.

Yeah, about JWP...I'm not really sure what's his role in the team formation. He is supposed to be a central midfielder, but it seems he plays more as a right back. So i searched for his heat map in the last match:

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It sure doesn't look like a central midfielder's movement. I understand the idea of covering for Clyne, but it can be the only reason why JWP's on the pitch. It' s a useful role, but a bit of a luxury.

Maybe Pochettno thinks he's not ready yet to play a difficult role in the midfield, so he found a new way to give him some game time.