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afcftw said:
Don't try and make out opinions as fact.

The argument was that no other club was going to pay as much as Madrid will. Utd haven't offered anything - so no what your saying are not facts. There is no proof whatsoever in the world that any club would offer that amount for Bale (even madrid since they havent made the offer yet) - so there is no way you can dismiss my opinion on it because i disagree with you.

As far as Walcott vs Bale - i've compared them as players and said nothing about worth. In fact my point was that what someone will pay had no bearing on my comparison.

We are going to have to agree to disagree i think as you obviously think the amount for Bale is fair rather than ludicrous and for some reason think other clubs would pay that much as well. Wheras as far as i can see thats ridiculous.
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I haven't tried to offer opinions as facts. I've offered facts and you've offered opinions in return.
It's your opinion that no other club would pay anything like as much for Bale and that's just an opinion. It's a baseless assertion, so why should anyone entertain it?

You've compared two players and the vast majority of people, including their fellow professionals, don't see them as being on a similar level.
Clubs don't seem to, managers don't seem to, pundits don't seem to, players don't seem to, yet you do. That's fine, but so is thinking that you're completely wrong.
 
afcftw said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA - that made my day. Calling my argument stupid and then saying Bale is one of the 3 best players in the world rofl - he was in the top 3 players in the league last season for the first time ever adn not in the top 5 in europe - your hilarious.

Whats even better is somehow you think that is a logical answer to me showing your 5th place argument up as wrong and laughing about you thinkign the value of a player is based on how much a random team can get for a random player.

Total failureo n your behalf to answer either point and instead soem rubbish about Bale being the 3rd best player in the world... oh dear.
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I give up. The reason you laugh is because you're sure that YOU Know more about a player's ability, and hence his worth, than some of the best judges of talent in the world. Without exception they consider Bale to be one of the most exceptional talents in world football.

As you love your stats so much...remind me again,how much are Real, Man Utd, etc bidding for WAlcott? What's that! **** all....I thought so.
 
afcftw said:
@HIAG

There isn't that much between them - i've posted the stats and examples of indivdual games to back this up. I've compared there type of play as well as the statistics. And i've also said due to Bales physical power he has been able to get some game changing goals this season and i've also agreed he is the better player currently.

Trying to have debate on the spurs board is just ****ing stupid. Lots of facepalms and laughing and not much actual debate.
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afcftw said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA - that made my day. Calling my argument stupid and then saying Bale is one of the 3 best players in the world rofl - he was in the top 3 players in the league last season for the first time ever adn not in the top 5 in europe - your hilarious.

Whats even better is somehow you think that is a logical answer to me showing your 5th place argument up as wrong and laughing about you thinkign the value of a player is based on how much a random team can get for a random player.

Total failureo n your behalf to answer either point and instead soem rubbish about Bale being the 3rd best player in the world... oh dear.
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Seriously?
 
Yes seriously.

I have laughed once - and that was at someone claiming Bale is in the top 3 footballers in the world and that the majority of the footballing world agree with him. That is just plain hilarious - i doubt even the rest of the spurs posters on this board believe that rubbish.

And my laughing was after being insulted by the poster, told i was stupid and he completely ignored what we where actually talking about to come out with that. Think thats a fair time to have a laugh :)
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I give up. The reason you laugh is because you're sure that YOU Know more about a player's ability, and hence his worth, than some of the best judges of talent in the world. Without exception they consider Bale to be one of the most exceptional talents in world football.

As you love your stats so much...remind me again,how much are Real, Man Utd, etc bidding for WAlcott? What's that! **** all....I thought so.
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You really believe that all these people who know all about football consider Bale the third best player in the world? Your insane. And again the value a club pays for a player does not determine there quality. You may not like stats but they go much further towards analysing a player than an over-inflated price. RVP cost Arsenal 2.5mil, Torres cost Chelsea 50mil.... Bent is another great one for huge transfer fees above his level. It happens alot and doesnt decide how good someone is compared to another player.
 
afcftw said:
Yes seriously.

I have laughed once
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afcftw said:
Your trying to win an argument by picking up little flaws in my writing as opposed to flaws in my logic.

"XYZ wouldn't pay half that" isn't me literally saying half of the amount. The sentence was an expression of my thinking that Bale is vastly over-priced, not that i had worked out exactly how much i think he should be worth lol
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afcftw said:
You mean exactly like your opinions? As in like almost everyone on this forum? rofl.

It's my opinion that ONLY Madrid and ONLY at this time could Bale go for the amount being thrown around in the press - and i think most people would agree with me on that as well. If you actually beliuve that is what Bale is worth then oh dear...
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afcftw said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA - that made my day. Calling my argument stupid and then saying Bale is one of the 3 best players in the world rofl - he was in the top 3 players in the league last season for the first time ever adn not in the top 5 in europe - your hilarious.
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?
 
afcftw said:
@HIAG

There isn't that much between them - i've posted the stats and examples of indivdual games to back this up...
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And yet every top team in the world would put Bale straight into their first XI, and hardly any of them would do the same with Walnut.

Stats are meaningless, in comparing footballers. The only proper way to use stats for footballers would be to have the two who are being compared play in the same team and against the same opposition. As that is clearly impossible when comparing rival players, the stats are meaningless.

The only stat of any likely importance, when comparing players, is the importance of the goals they score or the assists they make. I don't have those stats at my fingertips, but I'd hazard a guess that Bale has scored more important goals (usually single-handedly) for Spurs than Walnut has for Arsenal. Bale has been the difference between Spurs winning a game and losing/drawing it, Walnut has not had the same influence in the Arsenal team. I suggest that that is what is encouraging Real to make a world-record breaking bid for him, whereas they didn't even want to sign Walnut on a free.
 
Pfft the odd lol slipping out is not the same as a line of laughing faces etc.. lol

And in the last quote you gave i have admitted to finding it hilarious and laughing.... alot.
 
@HIAG - but i have already said that Bale is gettign this attention due to his important goals he got last season with his physical power. So i agree with you about the positives to do with Bale. But i also put up a reasonabel argument which suggests the gap between the two isn';t as huge assome people seem to think. Which i think is a fair point and considering the way i put the point forward was worth debating rather than resortign to putting me down immedietly <ok>
 
afcftw said:
You really believe that all these people who know all about football consider Bale the third best player in the world? Your insane. And again the value a club pays for a player does not determine there quality. You may not like stats but they go much further towards analysing a player than an over-inflated price. RVP cost Arsenal 2.5mil, Torres cost Chelsea 50mil.... Bent is another great one for huge transfer fees above his level. It happens alot and doesnt decide how good someone is compared to another player.
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It's YOU that's bordering on insane, matey. Ignoring the price, yes the world's top experts consider Bale to be one of the top talents in football, at the moment. You are in an opinion of one - your own!

You're clearly such a footballing seer that you should immediately call Whinger and let him benefit from your penetrating insight into footballing talent. I'm sure he'll be delighted, and that the Goons will piss the Premiership race next season!...<doh>
 
afcftw said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA - that made my day. Calling my argument stupid and then saying Bale is one of the 3 best players in the world rofl - he was in the top 3 players in the league last season for the first time ever adn not in the top 5 in europe - your hilarious.
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?

He's won Player of the Year twice <ok>

That means he's been the best player in the league in two seperate seasons <ok>
 
afcftw said:
@HIAG - but i have already said that Bale is gettign this attention due to his important goals he got last season with his physical power. So i agree with you about the positives to do with Bale. But i also put up a reasonabel argument which suggests the gap between the two isn';t as huge assome people seem to think. Which i think is a fair point and considering the way i put the point forward was worth debating rather than resortign to putting me down immedietly <ok>
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You're not listening and/or understanding, though.

It is the fact that Bale has the ability to win games that his team otherwise cannot win that make him vastly superior to Walnut, regardless of what all your other stats say (which, as I have explained, are meaningless).

Real obviously believe that Bale has the ability to win games for any team for which he plays, not merely Spurs, which is undoubtedly why they are prepared to make a world-record breaking bid for his services. I suggest to you that they do not believe that Walnut has the same capabilities, hence the reason why they didn't sign him for free when they had the chance.
 
Mousers are saying (well BR anyway) that Suarez is worth same as Bale?

Ha ha ha ha really? He spends a quarter of every season suspended....
 
Liverpool fans will be loving that. Rafa beating Wenger, the team trying to take their best player losing to their old manager and Reina saving a Podolski penalty.
Friendly results are pretty meaningless, though.
 
Something to interest you:-

...and when London's Tottenham Hotspur,one of the P.L.'s most popular teams ,toured the USA last summer club officials credited that trip with helping to reinvigorate an already active American fan base.
A pre season tour enables us to give something back to these fans while also providing potential new fans an opportunityto get to know the club,said Aidan Mullally,Tottenham's senior manager for international business development."From a Tottenham Hotspur perspective,players such as Bale,Dempsey and Dembele have helped build a reputation amomg US fans that we are a club that plays an attacking and entertaining style of "soccer" and fans want to go and watch that.The success of our US tour in 2012 demonstrates that".

We've come a long way since that first club meeting under a Tottenham lamp post many years ago......and Arsenal on the other side of the Woolwich Ferry!
 
I would like to chip in on the Walcott Bale thing.
A few years ago I would suggest Walcott was the better player.He was a forward and did well.Bale was a full back and in and out of the team.In fact,when he played left back early on Spurs didn't win for some while.Then he developed this attacking urge he had and Spurs moved him forward where,after a while,he became this exciting player who left defenders in his wake.
I would say he is well ahead of Walcott now,which is a shame,because we will have to say goodbye to him at some stage as he seeks new fields to conquer.
Now Walcott has probably reached h
 
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