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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurlock, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. enigma

    enigma Well-Known Member

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    Actually they would not have been able to make him an offer, no english club could speak to him till 1st of june, not January, like foreign clubs.
     
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  2. afcftw

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    6 months before the end of your contract you can sign a pre-contract agreement with a team from abroad but not from your england afaik? Might be wrong on that - but im not particularly botehred :p

    I basically came out with stats and reasonable argument to support my views and all i've had back is "no your wrong lolz" "lolz should laugh" "100m vs free lol" and other things which don't actually give any merit to a debate in my opinion.

    If your arguing stats do not make someone a good player then how on earth can you try and justify price tag as the way of distinguishing between players? You'd rather go for Torres than RVP? No? Ok then.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    Like that's ever stopped Chelsea before! <laugh>

    You're right though, so I'm sure Madrid, Barca and Bayern all went in for him, right? Right...?
     
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  4. afcftw

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    Barca where reportedly interested in signing him a couple of years ago - they came out with lots of comments about how world class he was and how dangerous of a player - Pepe, Messi, Xavi etc...

    Again though i fail to see what this has to do with how he compares with Bale. Any transfer is different - at different times different teams need different players for different position - the amount of different things that effect the valueof a player other than how good they are is huge... i dont belive your that stupid not to understand this.
     
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    Torres was younger, with a longer contract and it was Chelsea who bought him.
    Van Persie had a year left on his contract, he was 29 and it was Arsenal selling him.

    Bale and Walcott both have years left on their contracts and are of a similar age, so their values should be fairly similar if they're regarded in a similar fashion by other clubs.
    Walcott was available to Real on a free, but they'd prefer to move for someone else for a ridiculous amount of money. Why?
     
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  6. afcftw

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    Other than Madrid no other club in the world would even offer half of that for Bale.

    In your first comment you clearly notice that who the buying club is makes a difference to the value. So you already understand the flaw in your own argument. Good.

    You also clearly realise there are lots of different factors involved in transfers so i have no idea how your still trying to support the value = quality argument.

    Naturally Bale is the same Quality as Falcao and Cavani put together riht?
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

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    Baseless assertion. Man Utd were linked with a big bid for him and are you seriously suggesting that the likes of PSG, Monaco or City wouldn't splash out silly amounts, too?

    By the way, if Barca wanted Walcott so badly, then why didn't they try and sign him for nothing?
     
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  8. afcftw

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    Monaco, PSG and City do spend obscene amounts of money. Two of those clubs have spent £55m on a player this window. Cavani and Falcao - two fo the very best plaeyrs in the world right now. You could get both for the same price as Bale is being rumoured to go for.

    If you think Utd would spend 100m on Bale then you've lost the plot. It's silly money and only Madrid would pay anything like thatas Perez has made it a target of his and elections are comming up soon andwhen it comes to getting together galacticos they are known to go completely over the top on price (kowing this will price out all other clubs).
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

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    Your claim was that no other club would offer even half of Real's bid. You've already conceded that this isn't true.
     
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  10. afcftw

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    Your trying to win an argument by picking up little flaws in my writing as opposed to flaws in my logic.

    "XYZ wouldn't pay half that" isn't me literally saying half of the amount. The sentence was an expression of my thinking that Bale is vastly over-priced, not that i had worked out exactly how much i think he should be worth lol

    Even then i dont think any other club than Madrid at present would pay more than Falcao or Cavani went for, for Bale.

    If Utd re-sign Ronaldo i bet they don't even pay 100mil....
     
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  11. PleaseNotPoll

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    You're trying to win an argument by offering opinion as fact. All of your claims have been baseless conjecture.
     
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  12. afcftw

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    You mean exactly like your opinions? As in like almost everyone on this forum? rofl.

    It's my opinion that ONLY Madrid and ONLY at this time could Bale go for the amount being thrown around in the press - and i think most people would agree with me on that as well. If you actually beliuve that is what Bale is worth then oh dear...
     
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  13. Can we actually all bear in mind that Real haven't yet actually offered anything for Bale?

    I suspect that one possible explanation for this is that they still owe us £12m for Bale. How on earth can they offer us anything for Bale when they clearly cannot afford to pay the £12m outstanding to us from the last time they nicked a player off us?
     
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  14. PleaseNotPoll

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    No, I've been using facts. Madrid have made their interest clear. Man Utd have. Mourinho says that he wanted to sign Bale.
    None of these clubs moved for Walcott when he was available for nothing, as far as we know.
    You're offering an opinion as an alternative to those facts.

    If you're going to go with general opinions on Bale's worth, then we could easily apply them to the Bale v Walcott debate.
    Somehow I don't think we'd see many neutrals voting for Walcott on that one. Do you?
     
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  15. Sorry, but...

    <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

    Oh, and also...
    <doh>
     
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  16. NSIS

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    What a load of meaningless bollocks. Your stupid "argument" is based on nothing but the endless stats that you Gooners seem to love so much.

    I repeat far, far better judges of a player than you consider Bale to be one of the top 3 players in world football. If Walcott were even in the same league as Bale, they would be knocking on your door with a king's ransom, not ours!..
     
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  17. afcftw

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    Don't try and make out opinions as fact.

    The argument was that no other club was going to pay as much as Madrid will. Utd haven't offered anything - so no what your saying are not facts. There is no proof whatsoever in the world that any club would offer that amount for Bale (even madrid since they havent made the offer yet) - so there is no way you can dismiss my opinion on it because i disagree with you.

    As far as Walcott vs Bale - i've compared them as players and said nothing about worth. In fact my point was that what someone will pay had no bearing on my comparison.

    We are going to have to agree to disagree i think as you obviously think the amount for Bale is fair rather than ludicrous and for some reason think other clubs would pay that much as well. Wheras as far as i can see thats ridiculous.
     
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  18. afcftw

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    HAHAHAHAHAHA - that made my day. Calling my argument stupid and then saying Bale is one of the 3 best players in the world rofl - he was in the top 3 players in the league last season for the first time ever adn not in the top 5 in europe - your hilarious.

    Whats even better is somehow you think that is a logical answer to me showing your 5th place argument up as wrong and laughing about you thinkign the value of a player is based on how much a random team can get for a random player.

    Total failureo n your behalf to answer either point and instead soem rubbish about Bale being the 3rd best player in the world... oh dear.
     
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  19. afcftw

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    @HIAG

    There isn't that much between them - i've posted the stats and examples of indivdual games to back this up. I've compared there type of play as well as the statistics. And i've also said due to Bales physical power he has been able to get some game changing goals this season and i've also agreed he is the better player currently.

    Trying to have debate on the spurs board is just ****ing stupid. Lots of facepalms and laughing and not much actual debate.
     
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  20. vimhawk

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    Your "logic" is hardly worthy of reply. However try this very simple one: A player is worth what another team is prepared to pay for them.
     
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