Transfer Rumours Transfer Rumours Thread

[TheBear]

On the transfer front Its clear Berta is using the same approach this window of just contacting every potential candidate on a list and then narrowing it down based on wages/interest and fees.

In other words I wouldn't put too much stock on all the rumours - we will likely only sign one winger for example despite being heavily linked to 5-6 already.

 

[Jayramfootball]

We don't know who Berta has contacted or any plans the club has for outs and ins.

 

[BrunelGunner]

We don't know who Berta has contacted or any plans the club has for outs and ins.

Jay, come on. The sources we are talking about aren't some random blokes down the pub, they are well-connected with sources and have frequently reported reliable information. We cannot just dismiss that out of hand.

 

[cini65]

Ornstein and HOA are S tier and the two who are utterly reliable. Ornstein literally only ever does absolute facts... HOA is very slightly more Fab-like. Fab gets lots right but also posts lots just for engagement farming.

HOA is a good mid-ground between the Ornstein and Fab. When HOA posts something you know it's true and it isn't just for engagement farming.

He's posted nothing about Kone. Yet. Not sure I trust those rumours at all.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Jay, come on. The sources we are talking about aren't some random blokes down the pub, they are well-connected with sources and have frequently reported reliable information. We cannot just dismiss that out of hand.

Those 'reliable' sources are not reliable at all. They get it right by chance.
The world of football transfers is a cesspool. Agents drop rumours onto these 'ITKs' because they want to drum up interest. Their job is to maximise fees and contracts. For every REAL story, there are countless that are made up.
You need to understand where these rumours come from - it's not from the club.
In addition, for REAL potential deals, agents are actually going to be less likely to talk to 'ITKs' for fear of ruining the deal.

I will give you an example- the Moroccan midfielder we are apparently in talks with..

1) no way we've spoken to him in the middle of a World Cup.
2) no one had heard of him or mentioned him
3) he has a decent (not great) game against Brazil and the next day the rumours start flying - this is an agent maximising potential deals off the back of good PR (which may have been paid for in the first place).

If you believe we are in talks with that player and all of a sudden these so called ITK's like Ornstein happen to get the inside track directly after the game and PR then I have a bridge to sell you in the Sahara.

If you believe 0% of these rumours you'll be just about correct.

 

[cini65]

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[cini65]

Still want to know who this third big mystery attacker is we’re apparently talking to. Is it actually Vinicius or Rashford? Hope not. Maybe it is Diomande.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

Thats fine, but then you must accept you follow for football for entertainment reasons and not winning trophies.
There is no such thing as player who has a free role without defensive responsibility these days - at least none that are actually valuable to the team.
Those days are gone and there has never been a time in the history of the sport when all of the attacking players are not expected to defend.
What you are advocating for is Arsenal being relegated - because that is exactly what would happen if our front 3 was told not to defend.

So don't be upset if we never win anything again and operate in the lower leagues - as long as we're entertaining.

Not at all, of course I want to win trophies, but I also want us to play good football.

Case in point, any Arsenal fan at the time George Graham was sacked that says they didn't feel relieved in a large way is a bloody liar. We loved George Graham, loyalty towards him was great, but we couldn't take anymore of that awful football we were playing. Fans didnt call for him to leave or be sacked, how could we do that, so the bung scandal was a relief.

We wanted to win trophies - but we also wanted to be entertained.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

Ozil wasn’t even a good artisan or maverick for us. Cazorla was. Sanchez was. Ozil was largely anonymous against anyone remotely decent. His one spell of being world class was setting up goals for prime CR7 at Real for a season or so. He’s about as elite an artisan as Phil Foden.

Just day you didn't watch Ozil or that you didn't like him, rather that than chat rubbish!

 

[TheBear]

Not at all, of course I want to win trophies, but I also want us to play good football.

Case in point, any Arsenal fan at the time George Graham was sacked that says they didn't feel relieved in a large way is a bloody liar. We loved George Graham, loyalty towards him was great, but we couldn't take anymore of that awful football we were playing. Fans didnt call for him to leave or be sacked, how could we do that, so the bung scandal was a relief.

We wanted to win trophies - but we also wanted to be entertained.

Thats revisionist History. George Graham was sacked in February 95 - he last won the League in 91. The previous Season we had finished 10th.(94) It had NOTHING to do with playing defensive football.

He was technically dismissed because he was found to have accepted an illegal £425,000 payment (a "bung") from an agent regarding the transfers of John Jensen and Pål Lydersen.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

Yep 100% this.

Even Wilshere and Arshavin had seminal moments for us in big games. Ozil was at Arsenal from 2013-2021 and I cant think of a single big performance against an elite side. Soo far from World Class it's a joke.

You are a joker. In his first 5 or so seasons Ozil lead the chances created in the Prem (cumulatively), no player in the time he was with us created more chances.

In 2013/14 (his first season) out attack was ****ing awful ! Giroud scored 16 league goals, Podolski 8, Walcott 4, Bendtner 2 !!

The man had bare dross to work with and still led chances created across the entire Prem !

 

[theHotHeaded One]

It's not that though mate. Like Ozils ability was second to none - He should have been winning big game for us (like Sanchez did) deciding big moments but he never did. In the UCL in particular he was absolutely invisible whenever we stepped up against good side.

If the man is creating chances that are being missed that's not Ozil's fault!

 

[theHotHeaded One]

My opinions are driven by reality - as best as I can manage that. We're all fallible to media spin and narratives.
You are talking about a player who still holds the PL record for most chances created in a season - and calling him ****.
That in itself makes your opinion **** - quite apart from the total goal contributions including against big teams Ozil had.
His first 3 years were simply excellent - then he had his problems.

If your view was that Ozil had some great moments and great 15/16 season , but ultimately he was not able to get us across teh line to a title and his career fizzled out, then you'd have some solid ground... but your emotional bias when it comes to Ozil and your suspension of reality is just inane bullshit.

People use that pathetic argument to beat Ozil with all the time, he couldn't/didn't drag the team forward, he isn't supposed to, thats not his game. His game was to get the ball and create chances, he did that by the bucketload. Its just brainwashed fans that are following the popularised narrative from dinosaur pundits that - if you don't run around like mad dogs and englishmen, you are not trying - that harp on woth this foolish argument.

Case in point, Ozil was lazy apparently, but when the stats were produced Ozil consistently appeared in the top quartile of Arsenal players, for distance covered!

 

[TheBear]

You are a joker. In his first 5 or so seasons Ozil lead the chances created in the Prem (cumulatively), no player in the time he was with us created more chances.

In 2013/14 (his first season) out attack was ****ing awful ! Giroud scored 16 league goals, Podolski 8, Walcott 4, Bendtner 2 !!

The man had bare dross to work with and still led chances created across the entire Prem !

Yeah ...we've established he could create against the **** teams.

It's more about an attacking player of his ability should have been putting the TOP sides to the sword - but he never did. He was shocking in the big games.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Yeah ...we've established he could create against the **** teams.

It's more about an attacking player of his ability should have been putting the TOP sides to the sword - but he never did. He was shocking in the big games.

Drop it FFS
Ozil created chances against EVERYONE - big teams and small teams.
He was the most creative player in the league when he played for us in his first 3 years.
Pretending otherwise just shows you are not being objective.

 

[cini65]

Is this actually cryptic confirmation that Bouaddi is already done???

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[theHotHeaded One]

What are you talking about? You don't think Individuals win big games?.. It happens all the time!

When your the most talented player in a young team (or one of) you need to be the one deciding the big moments. Scoring the goals, creating the goals, driving the side to victory.

It's all well and good assisting against West Bromwich Albion but then being totally invisible while we get wrecked 10-2 by Bayern Munich.

No narrative here mate - I go to games at the Emirates and watched him bottle many big game first hand.

Guy came out on social media and said he wasn't getting games at Arsenal purely because of his political views, he then goes to Fenerbace makes just 37 apps over 2 Seasons - gets dropped and then retires. (at just 33).

What a load of nonsense ! In his career at Arsenal Ozil managed a goal or assist every 2 games in all comps. If the generally accepted criteria for a good striker is a goal every 2 games Ozil did well at Arsenal - despite your false narrative!

He got 18 G+A in 58 appearances in all comps during his time with Arsenal, 1 goal or assist every 3 games.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

Your just arguing for the sake of it.

In one paragraph you say "that offensive players should focus on attacking and defensive players focus on defending"

and then go on to say..."Of course people want to be Keane or Beckenbauer because they did everything well, they battled and they could attack"

Can you not see how you are contradicting yourself?!

I'm the one here saying being good at football isn't just playing attacking football. You were the one saying attackers shouldn't defend. (laughable)

Van Persie and Fabregas DID win us big games. Thats the point. Ozil didn't.

Its not my fault you do not understand the basics. Let attacking players attack and defending players defend, its what they are good at. Then I highlight midfield players whose job it was to do both and that those 2 in particular were very good at it - it confuses you so you say I am contradicting myself. Lol.

You would want Beckenbauer and Keane to do both, you would be an idiot to limit either to just an attacking or defending role, let the players play their natural game. Thats the crux of the argument. Making players do what is not natural for them compromises their game.

 

[theHotHeaded One]

No I think the Ozil Arsenal debate just confirms who can and cant change their minds over time.

For the first two Seasons - I defended him against the media and rival fans who were critical. But I just grew tired of watching him shrink and disappear in those high pressure games against City, Bayern etc.

Over time I just felt like the guy let us down.

Yes, because you like to watch talentless oafs running up and down the pitch all day flying into tackles !!

 

[theHotHeaded One]

And yet still I’d wager I wouldn’t be the only one to put him absolutely nowhere near a shortlist of creative players I’d take at Arsenal now from that era.

In the same way I wouldn’t put Mbappe anywhere near our team. Some impressive stats (far more impressive than Ozil and over a much longer timeframe) and still wouldn’t want him.

A season or two of good g/a stats aren’t cutting the mustard for me. Like TheBear I defended him for years and wanted him to be worth the record fee. But he was a drab disappointment for me regardless of that season.

If you think Ozil 15/16 was more creative than the Henry 20/20 season then knock yourself out. Or at even any of the Bergkamp wonder years.

An expensive and inconsistent luxury.

When did Mbappe have to play with the likes of Coquelin, Ramsey, Arteta, Giroud, Walcott and Welbeck looooooool!