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[Jayramfootball]

This is the difference between you and me and the reason why I detest football in its current state amd assume you love it !

I like artisans, I like mavericks, they are what draw people into the game ! I don't want to see my attacking players defending, leave that to the rest of the team, let the attacking players attack.

Nobody ever watched Carlton Palmer and said I want to be like him, no football talent but a super soldier who can run up and down all day. You balance out your Ozils by playing them next to Khediras ! Unless of course you are a muppet of a manager and don't give Ozil the tools he needs.

Nobody wants to be Zubimendi, nobody wants to be Norgaard, young players want to be exciting players, thats who they idolise, this football by numbers bollox gots to go.

Thats fine, but then you must accept you follow for football for entertainment reasons and not winning trophies.
There is no such thing as player who has a free role without defensive responsibility these days - at least none that are actually valuable to the team.
Those days are gone and there has never been a time in the history of the sport when all of the attacking players are not expected to defend.
What you are advocating for is Arsenal being relegated - because that is exactly what would happen if our front 3 was told not to defend.

So don't be upset if we never win anything again and operate in the lower leagues - as long as we're entertaining.

 

[cini65]

Ozil wasn’t even a good artisan or maverick for us. Cazorla was. Sanchez was. Ozil was largely anonymous against anyone remotely decent. His one spell of being world class was setting up goals for prime CR7 at Real for a season or so. He’s about as elite an artisan as Phil Foden.

 

[BrunelGunner]

So the LB Real Madrid wanted was Marc Cucurella...

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I guess that means Calafiori won't be going to Real this Summer.

 

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[TheBear]

Ozil wasn’t even a good artisan or maverick for us. Cazorla was. Sanchez was. Ozil was largely anonymous against anyone remotely decent. His one spell of being world class was setting up goals for prime CR7 at Real for a season or so. He’s about as elite an artisan as Phil Foden.

Yep 100% this.

Even Wilshere and Arshavin had seminal moments for us in big games. Ozil was at Arsenal from 2013-2021 and I cant think of a single big performance against an elite side. Soo far from World Class it's a joke.

 

[TheBear]

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He does look like a real talent.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Ozil wasn’t even a good artisan or maverick for us. Cazorla was. Sanchez was. Ozil was largely anonymous against anyone remotely decent. His one spell of being world class was setting up goals for prime CR7 at Real for a season or so. He’s about as elite an artisan as Phil Foden.

Nonsense.
It’s no surprise we started to win trophies again when he joined.
He was absolutely sublime at times.
His peak season for us was top 5 of any player in our history.

 

[Jayramfootball]

He does look like a real talent.

Honestly it’s a joke listening to the crap coming out of these WC games.
He was not even that good against Brazil.
Very safe backwards and sideways passing most of the time.
Haven’t seen enough of him so I won’t say he is not good enough, but for talk of him being ready for the champions of the toughest league in the world.
Haven’t seen anything remotely suggesting that.

 

[Jayramfootball]

It's not just him reporting it, HandOfArsenal, Sami Mokbel and Fabrizio are all saying the same - these are amongst the most reputable sources out there. There is definitely truth to it.

They are all wrong the vast majority of the time.
There is no one in the media privy to our transfer plans, and no randoms on social media either.
The fact they are all saying the same means that it's less likely true - they literally just jump on every rumour from anyone to throw as much mud at the wall as possible.
For every time they get one right , they get 99 wrong.
Thats what they play on - they COULD be right.
The same as a stopped watch is right twice a day.
Last summer, 264 players were linked with Arsenal

 

[Jayramfootball]

Data team impressed. Ffs what has football become!

Data analysis has been used for screening targets for a long time.

 

[Jayramfootball]

You see thats because I'm not influenced by the tabloids and trashy media like yourself. I can appreciate that football isn't just attacking - being good at football doesn't have to mean being an attacking side. It's funny because 30 years ago the British media would have agreed with me.

Yes I value strength, grit, physicality, workrate, mentality.

Funny how you said "Nobody wants to be Zubi/Norgaard" rather than Declan Rice or Gabriel. which are surely the better examples. Plenty of people wanted to be Patrick Viera, Tony Adams, Roy Keane or Beckenbauer.

Ozil did nothing for us, Arteta won us the league. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Brazil 1982 is the classic - and probably the marker in football history - for why focusing just on attack and flair is a losing strategy.
Brazil began their change from that point.

Flair and attacking football is only useful when a team has solid defensive structure when out of possession and especially on transitions.

Here's the truth - you do NOT need flair players to win at the highest level but You DO need a very good defence.
Thats just the reality of football.
Thats why the much lauded 5-4 PSG vs Bayern game was such low quality football - but very very entertaining. The two get mixed up a lot.

As for Ozil - he was a superb footballer in a team that he would never have been able to make win titles. Individuals very very rarely make that much of a difference. You can not blame Ozil for us not winning the league. Football is a team sport.
I see too many make the mistake of judging players on how many trophies the team they played in won. It's silly.

 

[cini65]

Nonsense.
It’s no surprise we started to win trophies again when he joined.
He was absolutely sublime at times.
His peak season for us was top 5 of any player in our history.

I don't remember him being sublime ever. Cazorla yes. Sanchez yes. Ozil, nope.

Trophies? Pff. There were many reasons we started to win trophies (and not the proper big trophies mind) and Ozil was not exactly a significant one. Arsenal were never ahead in the 2014 FA Cup final with Ozil on the pitch and this is what one source said about him:

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2015 cup final he was good as we battered Villa, as indeed were most of the team good, but Cazorla and Sanchez were better:

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2017 FA Cup final - outshone by most other outfield players:

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Then it doens't take long to look at summaries of games against the best teams and they're littered iwth these:

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He is (was) a lazier version of Odegaard.

I wouldn't have any version of Ozil anywhere near our entire squad. But prime Cazorla and Sanchez go straight into our current starting XI.

 

[Jayramfootball]

I don't remember him being sublime ever. Cazorla yes. Sanchez yes. Ozil, nope.

Trophies? Pff. There were many reasons we started to win trophies (and not the proper big trophies mind) and Ozil was not exactly a significant one. Arsenal were never ahead in the 2014 FA Cup final with Ozil on the pitch and this is what one source said about him:

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2015 cup final he was good as we battered Villa, as indeed were most of the team good, but Cazorla and Sanchez were better:

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2017 FA Cup final - outshone by most other outfield players:

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Then it doens't take long to look at summaries of games against the best teams and they're littered iwth these:

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He is (was) a lazier version of Odegaard.

I wouldn't have any version of Ozil anywhere near our entire squad. But prime Cazorla and Sanchez go straight into our current starting XI.

Good grief.
You actually pulled media match ratings?
Dude this eating are always dogshit.
The media has favourites and the scores reflect that.

2015/16 season

• Premier League Assists: 19 (finishing top of the league)
• Chances Created: 146 (the most ever recorded by a player in a single Premier League season)
• Total Contributions: 8 goals and 19 assists across all competitions to help Arsenal finish second in the league
• Accolades: Won the PFA Fans' Player of the Month for November and was named to the PFA Team of the Year

Let your bias go.

 

[TheBear]

Good grief.
You actually pulled media match ratings?
Dude this eating are always dogshit.
The media has favourites and the scores reflect that.

2015/16 season

• Premier League Assists: 19 (finishing top of the league)
• Chances Created: 146 (the most ever recorded by a player in a single Premier League season)
• Total Contributions: 8 goals and 19 assists across all competitions to help Arsenal finish second in the league
• Accolades: Won the PFA Fans' Player of the Month for November and was named to the PFA Team of the Year

Let your bias go.

It's not that though mate. Like Ozils ability was second to none - He should have been winning big game for us (like Sanchez did) deciding big moments but he never did. In the UCL in particular he was absolutely invisible whenever we stepped up against good side.

 

[Jayramfootball]

It's not that though mate. Like Ozils ability was second to none - He should have been winning big game for us (like Sanchez did) deciding big moments but he never did. In the UCL in particular he was absolutely invisible whenever we stepped up against good side.

I fundamentally disagree that individuals win big games.
Not even Bergkamp or Henry won things on their own.
Sanchez never won anything on his own.

There are of course big moments - but that is different. Ozil had many big moments in games.
121 G+A for Arsenal.
The start of the 15/16 premier league season he was playing football at a level rarely seen in the PL or anywhere - 19 G+A in the first 19 games. He was a phenom and easily the best player in the league over that period reaching levels not seen since Bergkamp. A level way beyond the likes of Cazorla or Sanchez could ever achieve.
Many of those 121 goal contributions came against the likes of Liverpool, City , Utd , Spurs, Chelsea - over 20 of them.
In fact he was actually more productive against the bigger teams in his career with us.

Narrarives are a strange thing in football - they are driven by emotion and a need to wrap up things in simple terms. **** or great usually.
Reality is suspended, history rewritten for emotional simplicity. Total lack of understanding on player contributions beyond the easy to spot.
The truth is Ozil came at a time when we really needed a major lift and he was seen as the player to do it. Naivety from fans that he would win games on his own - expectations not met, emotional reactions to expectation vs reality.

 

[cini65]

I fundamentally disagree that individuals win big games.
Not even Bergkamp or Henry won things on their own.
Sanchez never won anything on his own.

There are of course big moments - but that is different. Ozil had many big moments in games.
121 G+A for Arsenal.
Many of those came against the likes of Liverpool, City , Utd , Spurs, Chelsea - over 20 of them.
In fact he was actually more productive against the bigger teams in his career with us.

Narrarives are a strange thing in football - they are driven by emotion and a need to wrap up things in simple terms. **** or great usually.
Reality is suspended, history rewritten for emotional simplicity.
The truth is Ozil came at a time when we really needed a major lift and he was seen as the player to do it. Naivety from fans - expectations not met, emotional reactions to expectation vs reality.

Everyone else's opinion apart from your own is spun by media narratives, but your opinion is the 'truth'. Pff.

My overriding memories or Ozil were of constantly being disappointed and underwhelmed. Which is the opposite of Cazorla and Sanchez.

Rate him if you want. I don't.

 

[Jayramfootball]

Everyone else's opinion apart from your own is spun by media narratives, but your opinion is the 'truth'. Pff.

My overriding memories or Ozil were of constantly being disappointed and underwhelmed. Which is the opposite of Cazorla and Sanchez.

Rate him if you want. I don't.

My opinions are driven by reality - as best as I can manage that. We're all fallible to media spin and narratives.
You are talking about a player who still holds the PL record for most chances created in a season - and calling him ****.
That in itself makes your opinion **** - quite apart from the total goal contributions including against big teams Ozil had.
His first 3 years were simply excellent - then he had his problems.

If your view was that Ozil had some great moments and great 15/16 season , but ultimately he was not able to get us across teh line to a title and his career fizzled out, then you'd have some solid ground... but your emotional bias when it comes to Ozil and your suspension of reality is just inane bullshit.

 

[cini65]

My opinions are driven by reality - as best as I can manage that. We're all fallible to media spin and narratives.
You are talking about a player who still holds the PL record for most chances created in a season - and calling him ****.
That in itself makes your opinion **** - quite apart from the total goal contributions including against big teams Ozil had.
His first 3 years were simply excellent - then he had his problems.
His 2015/16 season was one of the greatest of all time from a midfielder.

If your view was that Ozil had some great moments and great 15/16 season , but ultimately he was not able to get us across teh line to a title and his career fizzled out, then you'd have some solid ground... but your emotional bias when it comes to Ozil and your suspension of reality is just inane bullshit.

Sure

 

[Jayramfootball]

Sure

Yes sure.
His 2015/16 season was one of the greatest of all time from a midfielder - 9 more chances created than Fernandez this past year.
146 chances created, still a PL record. Let that sink in a bit by comparing to this year for us.... Rice 63 chances created, Saka 61. That's our 1st and 2nd in the team. Sanchez or Cazorla never got close to Ozil's best year.
Cazorla's best year was 74 chances created in the PL - just about 50% of Ozil.
Sanchez's best year was 78.
Neither were fit to lace Ozil's boots as a creator when Ozil was at his best.

Basically, you are talking utter **** mate.

 

[TheBear]

I fundamentally disagree that individuals win big games.
Not even Bergkamp or Henry won things on their own.
Sanchez never won anything on his own.

There are of course big moments - but that is different. Ozil had many big moments in games.
121 G+A for Arsenal.
The start of the 15/16 premier league season he was playing football at a level rarely seen in the PL or anywhere - 19 G+A in the first 19 games. He was a phenom and easily the best player in the league over that period reaching levels not seen since Bergkamp. A level way beyond the likes of Cazorla or Sanchez could ever achieve.
Many of those 121 goal contributions came against the likes of Liverpool, City , Utd , Spurs, Chelsea - over 20 of them.
In fact he was actually more productive against the bigger teams in his career with us.

Narrarives are a strange thing in football - they are driven by emotion and a need to wrap up things in simple terms. **** or great usually.
Reality is suspended, history rewritten for emotional simplicity. Total lack of understanding on player contributions beyond the easy to spot.
The truth is Ozil came at a time when we really needed a major lift and he was seen as the player to do it. Naivety from fans that he would win games on his own - expectations not met, emotional reactions to expectation vs reality.

What are you talking about? You don't think Individuals win big games?.. It happens all the time!

When your the most talented player in a young team (or one of) you need to be the one deciding the big moments. Scoring the goals, creating the goals, driving the side to victory.

It's all well and good assisting against West Bromwich Albion but then being totally invisible while we get wrecked 10-2 by Bayern Munich.

No narrative here mate - I go to games at the Emirates and watched him bottle many big game first hand.

Guy came out on social media and said he wasn't getting games at Arsenal purely because of his political views, he then goes to Fenerbace makes just 37 apps over 2 Seasons - gets dropped and then retires. (at just 33).