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Unless it all goes tits up between now and then I think we can give ourselves a pat on the back. It's mostly been OK with few angry rants or personal attacks.
The poll up top ended 50/50
So in my best impersonation of the old bloke at the end of are you being served

Well done everybody.

Aside from a rather weird deep dive into my podcasts ratings, it's been quite restrained. But I suppose there's always one bad seed.
 
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Yeah, Jon Stewart said it best, "the losing side just don't learn their lesson".

The Democrats want to win on a platform of niceties and professionalism, the Republicans just took a "win at all costs" stance and it broke through to the "bro culture" of the USA, the Joe Rogan/UFC fans and the like. Basically, they just acted like they do online where was the Democrats just tried to appeal like every other politician, they haven't updated their tactics or researched into what modern American culture is actually like now.

They'll have to switch up for the next election, otherwise it'll be pretty grim for them in years going forward.

I just genuinely think usa has problems with a female president
But the democrats havent had a good candidate for years now

Usa has a massive amount of misogny (bad spelling) in some of its cultures
 
I just genuinely think usa has problems with a female president
But the democrats havent had a good candidate for years now

Usa has a massive amount of misogny (bad spelling) in some of its cultures

The USA full stop hasn't
 
I wanted the Donald to win against Hilary
I really didn’t see him winning this one so well done to him
I really don’t think he will be that radical he wasn’t last time
My concern was and is the nutcases in general in America.
But I certainly don’t think he will do anything mental he’s just told them whatever they wanted to hear to be elected. And done it better than Harris
 
Issue is if they do switch it up, the Republicans will gleefully point to them and say "You always criticised us for doing this". They can't win either way.

I think the UK Labour party are a good example of how you can win. Starmer gets stick from all over the spectrum, but he and the party identified that whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the policies and rhetoric they were running on previously weren't winning votes. It was too easy to be mocked and simply couldn't compete against populism on the other side. So they adopted a much more pragmatic stance in order to become electable and it worked. Whether their policies are now better or worse is totally subjective, but they got in. Some of their rhetoric is dumbed down to compete with the populism of their opponents, an example being the "1p off a pint" they proudly announced recently. But it works.
 
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I wanted the Donald to win against Hilary
I really didn’t see him winning this one so well done to him
I really don’t think he will be that radical he wasn’t last time
My concern was and is the nutcases in general in America.
But I certainly don’t think he will do anything mental he’s just told them whatever they wanted to hear to be elected. And done it better than Harris

Chazz he'll be a lot more radical this time for that exact reason. He can't get re-elected, he has nothing to lose this time. Last time he wanted to get through to a second term, as well as being quite restricted by civil servants. Take a look at Project 2025 if you want some idea of what is in store for the US.
 
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I wanted the Donald to win against Hilary
I really didn’t see him winning this one so well done to him
I really don’t think he will be that radical he wasn’t last time
My concern was and is the nutcases in general in America.
But I certainly don’t think he will do anything mental he’s just told them whatever they wanted to hear to be elected. And done it better than Harris

At most
Therell be a % swing up or down on growth in economies
And lots of inane stuff in between

Its def overblown
 
Come on.... Trump has assets of over a billion dollars and is supported by the richest man in the world... He really isn't going to kill off any banks or change the world order. He's going to provide some amusing interviews, wacky decisions and infuriate those we like seeing infuriated. His last presidency showed exactly what he will do.

Corbyn threatened to disrupt the world order and didn't win.

If he has all those billions why was he in court for inflating his worth to get a bank loan?
 
At most
Therell be a % swing up or down on growth in economies
And lots of inane stuff in between

Its def overblown

You realise Roe v Wade was repealed in the US off the back of Trump stacking the Supreme Court and he'll have the opportunity to cement a super majority in this term? They'll wind back Obamacare which will have a direct impact on the elderly and infirm.
 
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I think the UK Labour party are a good example of how you can win. Starmer gets stick from all over the spectrum, but he and the party identified that whatever the rights and wrongs of it, the policies and rhetoric they were running on previously weren't winning votes. It was too easy to be mocked and simply couldn't compete against populism on the other side. So they adopted a much more pragmatic stance in order to become electable and it worked. Whether their policies are now better or worse is totally subjective, but they got in. Some of their rhetoric is dumbed down to compete with the populism of their opponents, an example being the "1p off a pint" they proudly announced recently. But it works.

The labour party won because people wanted the Tories out. Just look at how badly keirs approval rating has dropped when people realised what they were actually getting
 
You realise Roe v Wade was repealed in the US off the back of Trump stacking the Supreme Court and he'll have the opportunity to cement a super majority in this term? They'll wind back Obamacare which will have a direct impact on the elderly and infirm.

Im talking effects in europe

What happens in usa is mostly irrelevant
Without being ignorant
 
Im talking effects in europe

What happens in usa is mostly irrelevant
Without being ignorant

Then what were you referring to as being 'overblown' when the majority of the discussion is the impact Trump will have on the US?

He will have a direct impact on Europe though considering he'll allow Putin free reign.
 
Then what were you referring to as being 'overblown' when the majority of the discussion is the impact Trump will have on the US?

He will have a direct impact on Europe though considering he'll allow Putin free reign.

Stuff about withdrawing from nato that ive seen and allowing russia to do whatever
The impact on uk economy will be miniscule i think

Obviously domestic usa stuff is probably bad, but doesnt affect me
 
the "convicted felon" stuff was all political and all done with bent judges and bent prosecutors. every conviction was timed for the election run-up to put people off voting, but people over there have clearly watched what happened in court, or didn't care, rather than just reading the headlines in the guardian or independent. i'm going to assume you've never looked closely at any of the indictments and cases, because if you ever did, even a virtual commie like you would have seen they were all bollocks. where and who was the victim in the new york fraud case? how can they get a fraud conviction when nobody was defrauded? they tried to make out that mar-a-lago, a 17 acre oppulently decorated property in palm beach - where properties currently sell for $60m PER ACRE - was only worth $18m when trump applied for the loan c.2012. get real.

as for convicted rapist, that's another left wing lie. listen, if he's as bad as you say, why don't you actually list some of what his real issues are instead of lying all the time? or can't you find anything bad enough? it completely spears everything else you say when you just repeat these lies. trump is NOT a convicted rapist. he was found guilty of sexual assault in a CIVIL kangaroo court by a woman who didn't even know what year the alleged assault took place. get real.

and he was never an "epstein customer", so don't pull that crap.

you just come over as a know-nothing loudmouth that hasn't done any research.



anyway, i hope your football team does something good over the next four years to alleviate your misery a little.

"Bent judges/prosectuors" - Evidence or you're lying.

"conviction timed for the election" - the US election cycle is 18 months long, there's always politics, pointless to claim it was to stop him trying when there's no law against felons running for office.

"they were all bollocks" - they weren't, he was found guilty by a jury selected by both the prosecution and the defence.

"Who was the victim in the fraud case?" The banks and people he defrauded by inflating the price of his properties to get loans he wasn't entitled to, derp.

"Property worth $60m was only worth $18m - that'd be just after the huge property market bubble burst right? Couldn't imagine why property was much less valuable then.

"Why don't you list what his real issues are?" I did. The point you're so beautifully making for me is that people like yourself don't actually see them as issues, you think it's all a conspiracy against him.

"Kangaroo court" - actual court, with actual legal ramifications in a legal case undertaken by legal professionals. If that had been Biden, Raskin or Buttigeig in the dock, you wouldn't have blinked twice would you?

"He was never an epstein customer" - well then, you'll have more willingness to open the Epstien files than Trump apparently does, then we'll know. Because despite what Trump says, we know they were friends, we know that they attended parties together, people have come forward (which you'll no doubt belittle as women trying to make money off him) and said he abused them. And even if he isn't, it's stunning that the line his fanbase take is "well, he hasn't ****ed a kid", as if that's the limit they're willing to go to in order to excuse his behaviour. If there is actually a list that proves whoever is on it is guilty of CSE, then whoever is on it, no matter their politics, religion or humanitarian efforts should never taste freedom again. I'm guessing if Trump is on it, you'll say exactly what Trump will, that it's fake news.

Ask yourself this, did you want the Republicans to win because of their values, or did you just want Trump to win because he's a poor diddums? The ****er's a billionaire ****bag who lies easier than he blinks, it isn't difficult to dislike him but is difficult to work out what exactly it is that people think he's so amazing at, because with any other person the bad points would instantly outweigh anything good.

A little bit of me is glad he won, because I think the only way people are going to see the problem is to experience it for themselves and they're quickly going to realise that the Democrats, trans people and people from Latin America weren't the source of their gripes.
 
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