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Mackem 10.1 said:
Shouldn't be any back lash, should just support whoever the manager is, there is no guarantees Still would be any better than someone like Rosenior
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Aye, that would be the ideal but it's not how it works. Even more so when expectations aren't managed and it's allowed to build as much as it has.
 
Culinary said:
But that is the reality. Everyone around me in the North Stand was calling Beale worse than ****e in the Coventry game, an hour into his reign, it was toxic from the off. At this stage the club are going to have to be aware of this as regardless of how good a, say, Challinor is he doesn't stand a chance if the fans are on his back from the off. Momentum is massive, nowhere more so than here, and it's nigh on impossible to build from a standing start (or from being on the back foot).
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Im not saying its not reality but this is why i hate fans of clubs at times. Demand instant success, want managers sacked if they dont get that success then moan that we keep sacking managers

I get some of itll be down to poor appointments by management but the only way we will have success is by having some sustainability as a club

Sick of going through managers all the time
 
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Chunksafc said:
I can't see that the club would not say a word if they had got their man. The noise is ramping up daily across all platforms and delaying an announcement wouldn't make sense.

Just my opinion though
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There is no noise just the odd bit of rumour or speculation. The only noises really are the few fans who voice their opinions on social media.
 
Brainy Dose said:
Don't disagree with any of that. Not really interested in other clubs.....it's whether we get the right man. Time is tight,I agree. If it's taken since Feb,but our appointment is successful,no-one will care about the delay and, it'll be interesting to see how many other clubs are binning their new Coaches before the end of November.
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No guarantees mate and this is Sunderland after all. Got knackers like stones the amount of times we've been kicked in them.
 
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Scout73 said:
Im not saying its not reality but this is why i hate fans of clubs at times. Demand instant success, want managers sacked if they dont get that success then moan that we keep sacking managers

I get some of itll be down to poor appointments by management but the only way we will have success is by having some sustainability as a club

Sick of going through managers all the time
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You're preaching to the converted here mate.
 
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Brainy Dose said:
No-one has any guarantees for any of it mate and the only definition of right and wrong process is if it's ultimately successful.
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I completely disagree. You conduct the right process 100 times you'll get a higher number of good results than if you conduct a poor process 100 times. Look at the Mowbray appointment, that was a good process using data. Look at the Neil and Beale appointments, they were bad processes one worked for a short period of time before things that should've been identified in the recruitment process came back to bite us and then one flat out was a disaster.

Process matters.
 
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alcoauth said:
I'm not sure that's the case, but on here he is very unpopular that's true, I was talking to a few fellas in the pub yesterday a couple of Sunderland fans, a Darlo fan and a Leeds fan, when I mentioned Maric and Pascal Jansen, they were like, who are they? With a twisted face, Rosenior and Heckingbottom are known at least.
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To be fair to the club it's their job to identify good candidates us regular punters might not know about.

Everybody knows Steve Bruce but I wouldn't want him even if he hadn't managed us before.
 
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Scout73 said:
Im not saying its not reality but this is why i hate fans of clubs at times. Demand instant success, want managers sacked if they dont get that success then moan that we keep sacking managers

I get some of itll be down to poor appointments by management but the only way we will have success is by having some sustainability as a club

Sick of going through managers all the time
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And is the reason,imo,for our continued lack of success over a very long time.
 
Scout73 said:
Im not saying its not reality but this is why i hate fans of clubs at times. Demand instant success, want managers sacked if they dont get that success then moan that we keep sacking managers

I get some of itll be down to poor appointments by management but the only way we will have success is by having some sustainability as a club

Sick of going through managers all the time
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Get a competent DoF who doesn't burn relationships and can actually implement a proper player trading model and club identity then maybe we'll get a coach here for more than a year or so. No coach under Speakman has started and finished a season, that's crazy.
 
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Nacho said:
That's it for me. Lots of people are focusing on football style and I get that but I'm thinking more about points on the board at this stage.

It depends on the squad we start with, if it's so strong I feel like I could coach us to mid table then an idealistic coach would be great, if it's very similar to what how we finished last season with a few unproven young players added, I'd be worried about relegation with someone green in charge. I'd include Still in that.
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Nacho said:
I didn't use the word certainty but it's good enough to describe how I'm looking at it.

I'm seeing a squad with a lot of unproven young talent, that is unproven at being good enough to get us promoted, which finished the season very much in relegation form. A recruitment team that struggles to find quality players in key areas for their budget. A fanbase that gets increasingly hysterical every year.

Then looking at the coaches in contention I'm seeing people I know very little about as head coaches (I don't believe many if any on here do), some who haven't even done the job yet and those that have haven't managed in England.

I'm not suggesting we sign an experienced battleaxe but looking at Rosenior he's just finished 7th with a team not significantly better than ours (people will disagree but I don't care) and to my mind he's also an exciting young prospect who could grow with the club.

That's how I'm looking at it. Maybe I'm being too conservative and would miss out on the next Pep but I've got alarm bells ringing quietly. A lot depends on our business in the transfer window but I'm not exactly super confident about that either.
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My reply was in conjunction with @Pure River Slut post about certainty which in your post you agreed with. I get the steadying hand but TBH I don't like the style of play that Rosenior likes to play as it is very similar to what we have tried to adopt this season. That said if he is named our HC I will support him and hope I am wrong about his preferred style of play. TM in the main proved me wrong until about 8 to 10 games in this season when everything seemed to change .
 
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Southern A said:
Agree with this.

it’s as I’ve said for a long time. I’m fully behind the idea of the model. I really like it. I really like the structure of the club.

But the execution of it has been pretty poor in a lot of areas.

Our squad building has also been about opportunistic transfer value growth rather than trying to attempt to build a winning team with succession planning and based around a consistent playing identity.

Basically all the stuff Speakman said we’d do when he started, around player models etc, just hasn’t happened.

We are acting like a club that wants to look like it has a plan. But it doesn’t know how, or isn’t able, to carry out that plan.
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I get that but all signings, whether you agree with them or not, have been made by the club rather than a manager (except dack) so we have some sort of identity and structure of young, hungry, skilful players who can grow with the club. It might have gone off rails a bit but can still be clawed back. While everyone jumps up and down about speakman cos of Beale and a few dodgy signings,the club is unrecognisable now to what it was before he came. We have about 70m worth of talent in squad, we have a thriving academy who are punching with the big boys and until the sacking of Mowbray played some of the best football I've seen us play. A good appointment this summer, couple of additions and we can kick on again
 
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Culinary said:
Looking at the replies I can see why they’ve not bothered tweeting anything for a few days.
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Was Mike Dodds birthday couple of days ago and didn't post anything, announcement soon??

It will just be the kits like but still
 
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