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SourPatch2 said:
I completely disagree. You conduct the right process 100 times you'll get a higher number of good results than if you conduct a poor process 100 times. Look at the Mowbray appointment, that was a good process using data. Look at the Neil and Beale appointments, they were bad processes one worked for a short period of time before things that should've been identified in the recruitment process came back to bite us and then one flat out was a disaster.

Process matters.
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You've no idea of the process that was gone through for any of the three names you mention. You're jumping on the no news is bad news bandwagon.
You say Mowbray was a good process,but in a short space of time,it ultimately fell sour, Neil got us promoted....was it a failure in the process that we didn't know he was a greedy,duplicitous man......however,agree about Beale,although we're not quite sure what the thinking was in his appointment anyway.
I have a feeling the problem with our selection process is we have always been looking for a short term fix,when we might ultimately be better with a more balanced,patient, longer term view.
 
Roseee said:
Was Mike Dodds birthday couple of days ago and didn't post anything, announcement soon??

It will just be the kits like but still
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Isn’t it pretty unheard of that clubs (particularly of our size) announce a manager without any media at all getting a sniff of it?
 
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SourPatch2 said:
Get a competent DoF who doesn't burn relationships and can actually implement a proper player trading model and club identity then maybe we'll get a coach here for more than a year or so. No coach under Speakman has started and finished a season, that's crazy.
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Im not disagreeing with that, the DoF or technical director roles at club are arguably the most important roles

Ive heard some great things about speakman in that role n ive heard some shocking - i suspect his ability is somewhere in the middle

Last yr was a shocker from him but he did get more decisions right than wronflg the 2.5 seasons before that tho

The whole player trading model takes yrs b yrs to get right, especially when you think about how bad it was before he came in
 
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Monkey69 said:
My reply was in conjunction with @Pure River Slut post about certainty which in your post you agreed with. I get the steadying hand but TBH I don't like the style of play that Rosenior likes to play as it is very similar to what we have tried to adopt this season. That said if he is named our HC I will support him and hope I am wrong about his preferred style of play. TM in the main proved me wrong until about 8 to 10 games in this season when everything seemed to change .
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Regarding style of play I don't think Rosenior was as bad as is made out, and the Hull fans didn't seem to have a problem with it. They were actually gutted he left which is pretty rare. Also who's to say he didn't think that was the best fit for that team at that time and wouldn't take a fresh approach with his next club. He's not even 40 yet.
 
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Culinary said:
But that is the reality. Everyone around me in the North Stand was calling Beale worse than ****e in the Coventry game, an hour into his reign, it was toxic from the off. At this stage the club are going to have to be conscious of this as regardless of how good a, say, Challinor is he doesn't stand a chance if the fans are on his back from the off. Momentum is massive, nowhere more so than here, and it's nigh on impossible to build from a standing start (or from being on the back foot).
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North standers can spot a wrong’un when they see one, clearly.
 
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CR17 said:
Looks like I got mistaken with Cifuentes but it still applies to the rest, Not managed too long at all or they've been an assistant. Kompany was only at Anderlecht for 2 seasons. Maresca managed Parma for 14 games, hardly really being a manager
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The point was, with the older lads in the pub, they're known commodities. When you mention Germany youth coaches or Eredivisie coaches not at Champions League clubs, they don't know who they are or how to work out if they're any good.
 
Confucius said:
Most other clubs don’t take this long to appoint anyone good or bad, Nig. I was making a point that just because you make an appointment sooner, it doesn’t make them ****, like making a late appointment doesn’t make them good. They could take their time and still appoint a failure.
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Confucius said:
Yes we’ve only had since February, silly me.
Plus don’t forget “succession planning”, some of that spadework could have been done. And there are no guarantees that it reduces the risk unless you know the ins and outs. For instance a club could be down to their 3rd choice after weeks of meticulous planning.
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I don't know what goes on at other clubs or particularly much at ours.
But we are running it better than a lot of other clubs. And certainly much better than the last owners.

We brought in Niel who got us promoted then fooked off, Mowbray who did well then sacked after a lean spell, then fooked up with Beale and sacked after a short stint.

I'd like to think the club are trying to get this appointment right. There are available managers out there but how many are within our grasp ? And how many of those left would we want. ?

Maybe we were holding out for Still etc. and now Still seems to have had his head turned.

Yes, every manager is a risk to one extent or another .
But it seems the club can't win either way with some fans. Get a quick manager in, fails, poor recruitment.
Club takes it's time appointing manager, poor decision making.

So no, a quick appointment doesn't necessarily mean they are going to be shìt. But was anyone available when we sacked Beale is the question?
And maybe why it's taken so long.
 
Brainy Dose said:
You've no idea of the process that was gone through for any of the three names you mention. You're jumping on the no news is bad news bandwagon.
You say Mowbray was a good process,but in a short space of time,it ultimately fell sour, Neil got us promoted....was it a failure in the process that we didn't know he was a greedy,duplicitous man......however,agree about Beale,although we're not quite sure what the thinking was in his appointment anyway.
I have a feeling the problem with our selection process is we have always been looking for a short term fix,when we might ultimately be better with a more balanced,patient, longer term view.
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I mean there's a great interview with someone from a data company we used at the time who talks about how we identified Mowbray.

With the Neil appointment if you watch Sunderland Till I Die it doesn't paint Speakman in a great light. He applied while we were chasing Keane, there was no succession planning for Johnson leaving.
 
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