WAR! What is it good for?

[FosseFilberto]

The IRA, ANC and other groups often lazily used as examples when discussing the future, tend to ignore that these had the benefit of the Cold War. A large organization like the USSR willing to equip any anti western group, often, no strings attached.

the Cold War had little to do with the arming of the IRA ... far more so the millions of Irish Americans ...

... and it's never lazy to allude to historical facts ...in contrast it's informed and apposite ... it is however lazy to dismiss them if they don't fit your narrative or stance tho'

 

[Welshie]

the Cold War had little to do with the arming of the IRA ... far more so the millions of Irish Americans ...

... and it's never lazy to allude to historical facts ...in contrast it's informed and apposite ... it is however lazy to dismiss them if they don't fit your narrative or stance tho'

Lol

A massive portion of IRA arms were Libyan, the biggest portion of which were traditional weapons like mass produced Soviet AK47s and RPGs, as well as tons of other small arms.

I didn't dismiss a thing, you're just absolutely atrocious at chatting with anyone on here, without throwing little curves at people to build a narrative to suit

How you can look at my post there with the ANC and IRA and act like I'm "dismissing" them when I even provide an argument as to why it wouldn't work in 2024 is astounding to be quite frank.

You dodge everything you don't like.

In the 1970s there were more mass produced arms on the open market than any other time in post 1945 history.

 

[Saf]

Terrorist scum, brother

I know mate, I was just messing after what you wrote on the previous page.

 

[Welshie]

I know mate, I was just messing after what you wrote on the previous page.

Fosse disagrees tho

Won't admit it like, but he does.

Fosses posts are like that scenario, an infinite amount of monkies and an infinite amount of type writers.

Eventually you're bound to find his point

 

[Saf]

Playing devil's advocate - if a new Palestinian resistance emerges from the ashes; one not steeped in religious doctrine, not dedicated to the eradication of Israel but with the stated objective of expelling foreign invaders / oppressors from Palestinian lands (Gaza and The West Bank) -what would your take be then?

I accept that this is unlikely ...

In terms of parallels, however, both the ANC in South Africa and the IRA (in what is now the Irish Republic) started off as armed resistancane movements that were labelled terrorist organisations - but were thr foundations of the modern countries that now exist.

Just for fun!!

The IRA started committing terrorist attacks overseas as soon as they were formed. They’ve always been terrorists.

 

[Welshie]

The IRA started committing terrorist attacks overseas as soon as they were formed. They’ve always been terrorists.

When the Irish Republic became a thing, the IRA continued to smuggle arms, kill people and devolved into what were essentially gangsters.

 

[Saf]

Israel is the USA's little pet in the middle east, because they don't want Iran, Lebanon or any of the other players gaining a foothold. So for decades they've been arming Israel to the teeth with $$$$ billions of military aid and giving them carte blanche to act with impunity. Which is why they've allowed an illegal occupation to go unchecked. With that comes the inevitable tensions with Palestine and gives rise to groups like Hamas.

There's no way Genocide Joe, or even less Trump, was going to rein Israel in. They gave them the green light to attack from the beginning with the old mantra 'they have the right to defend themselves' ....only it's not defence, it's genocide with over 25 thousand killed, mainly women and children.

It's a moral vacuum from the US and the West. As I've mentioned before, if the sides were switched and it was Palestine who'd levelled Tel Aviv and killed 25k Israelis, they would have sent in the bombs ages ago to 'neutralise a rouge terrorist state'.

Killing less than 1% of the population doesn’t really constitute genocide.

 

[Saf]

When the Irish Republic became a thing, the IRA continued to smuggle arms, kill people and devolved into what were essentially gangsters.

Yeah they’ve always been murderous bastards. We had big trouble with them up in the north east over 100 years ago. That was after taking them in, giving them homes, jobs, education. Ungrateful scummy bastards.

 

[Saf]

Palestinians have a recognized right under international law to resist Israeli occupation under Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions. This right is affirmed in the context of the right of self-determination of all peoples under foreign and colonial rule.

The United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) has expressly affirmed the right of Palestinians to resist Israeli military occupation, including through armed struggle.[5][6] General Assembly resolution A/RES/38/17 (22/11/1983) stated that it "Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle".[7]

Armed struggle and resistance is fine. Going into another country to rape and murder innocent civilians, is not.

If another group replaced Hamas and done what they done they’d also be terrorists.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Lol

A massive portion of IRA arms were Libyan, the biggest portion of which were traditional weapons like mass produced Soviet AK47s and RPGs, as well as tons of other small arms.

I didn't dismiss a thing, you're just absolutely atrocious at chatting with anyone on here, without throwing little curves at people to build a narrative to suit

How you can look at my post there with the ANC and IRA and act like I'm "dismissing" them when I even provide an argument as to why it wouldn't work in 2024 is astounding to be quite frank.

You dodge everything you don't like.

In the 1970s there were more mass produced arms on the open market than any other time in post 1945 history.

LOL ...

You are not reading it properly - the 1916 Irish rebellion certainly was not funded by Libya or anywhere else in the middle-east ...

So I've dodged nothing ... you are simply, a bit thick

 

[FosseFilberto]

Whoooooossssshhhh ... there goes the point that Welshie completely missed.

 

[Solid Air]

Lol

A massive portion of IRA arms were Libyan, the biggest portion of which were traditional weapons like mass produced Soviet AK47s and RPGs, as well as tons of other small arms.

I didn't dismiss a thing, you're just absolutely atrocious at chatting with anyone on here, without throwing little curves at people to build a narrative to suit

How you can look at my post there with the ANC and IRA and act like I'm "dismissing" them when I even provide an argument as to why it wouldn't work in 2024 is astounding to be quite frank.

You dodge everything you don't like.

In the 1970s there were more mass produced arms on the open market than any other time in post 1945 history.

the original assault rifle favoured by the provos was the Armalite ( particularly with the folding stock) hence the "God made the Catholics the Armalite made us equal" graffitti . Lots of these arms came in on liners having been hidden onboard.after being smuggled onto the ship by the American longshore men .
The Libyan arms came much later .

 

[FosseFilberto]

the original assault rifle favoured by the provos was the Armalite ( particularly with the folding stock) hence the "God made the Catholics the Armalite made us equal" graffitti . Lots of these arms came in on liners having been hidden onboard.after being smuggled onto the ship by the American longshore men .
The Libyan arms came much later .

Yeh but the camels used in the assault on the post office during Easter 1916 were definitely Libyan ... they were smuggled over by Gaddafi's grandad on a magic carpet

 

[Welshie]

LOL ...

You are not reading it properly - the 1916 Irish rebellion certainly was not funded by Libya or anywhere else in the middle-east ...

So I've dodged nothing ... you are simply, a bit thick

You did not mention a date once, there were multiple stages of the Irish rebellion, the IRA and the rest.

Now, you're chatting about 1916 Ireland in comparison to 2024 Palestine.

****ing 100 years difference like.

I was giving you the ****ing benefit of the doubt referring to the 1970s ffs

 

[Welshie]

the original assault rifle favoured by the provos was the Armalite ( particularly with the folding stock) hence the "God made the Catholics the Armalite made us equal" graffitti . Lots of these arms came in on liners having been hidden onboard.after being smuggled onto the ship by the American longshore men .
The Libyan arms came much later .

Fosse will jump on this to aid in his back peddling from the original point

Welp, he pulled a blinder. He knew someone would pop on, muddle the point and he'd sneak out of it

 

[FosseFilberto]

You did not mention a date once, there were multiple stages of the Irish rebellion, the IRA and the rest.

Now, you're chatting about 1916 Ireland in comparison to 2024 Palestine.

****ing 100 years difference like.

I was giving you the ****ing benefit of the doubt referring to the 1970s ffs

Read post [HASHTAG]#9474[/HASHTAG] again, numpty ... then come back and admit your error ... there's a good boy now... clear as day.

 

[Welshie]

Read post [HASHTAG]#9474[/HASHTAG] again, numpty ... then come back and admit your error ... there's a good boy now... clear as day.

Fosse, you're skiving off work anyway, just link the post.

I'm not falling for you wasting my time by making me search for it

 

[brb]

Morning....oops afternoon, everyone happy today?

I blame Bush and Blair.

 

[Welshie]

Morning....oops afternoon, everyone happy today?

I blame Bush and Blair.

I blame David Lloyd George, he never should have allowed the IRA to buy those American F15s

 

[FosseFilberto]

Fosse, you're skiving off work anyway, just link the post.

I'm not falling for you wasting my time by making me search for it

I'm at my desk in our London offices mate ... you are just a comic interlude when I need a break