Transfer Rumours January Transfer Thread

[Tony Angelino]

Devante Cole?!!
And some saying it wouldn't be a bad signing. Really!?!
Billy Sharp and now Devante Cole.
WTF.
Hopefully bs

I remember acun saying he wouldn’t take “a risk” when it came to strikers.
Tetteh came and went, didn’t do anything
Oscar came and went
We’ve got Delap on loan but I don’t think we’ve gone all out like the no10’s and bought a proven striker at this level

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Completely agree, but we need to buy some quality players that are going to be with us on the journey.

The only Acun signings that are at that level are Philogene, Tufan, and Seri. (Potentially Connolly)

There’s been 22 permanent transfers since Acun took over, and only 3 are at the level we need.

I’ve said it before but our recruitment is poor. Nearly £20 million spent on transfers since Acun took over.

That’s not including the fees wasted on Pelkas, Vale, Ebiowei, Salah M’hand.

I made the comment the other day that there's a pretty clear reason for that. If you think PL quality or promotion chasing quality players will just happily sign for City on the whim of a new, charismatic owner, then I'm sorry to say that a lot of players need a lot of convincing. The fact Rosenior has dragged us up the table means we're now in a position to begin targeting promotion challenging quality players, which is why I think someone like Pandur coming in is better than Carvalho, BUT that Carvalho gives us an increased pedigree and reputation that hopefully convinces others to join permanently.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

We've still got two weeks, I think we need to be steady away this window because the players we have coming back are first team starters.

We need to replace Delap, no doubt. Cole wouldn't be the worst signing in the world but it has an air of Chris Martin/Danny Graham about it, in that he looks good on paper but I'm not sure he'll hack going up a level. He has a grand total of 1 Championship goal in his career, seems like one of those players who is happy to spend his career in League One.
Dunno. I'd be going after Morgan Whittaker at Plymouth, or Lawrence Shankland at Hearts, the lad can't stop scoring at the moment.

Plymouth have been gutted this window which I think means Whittaker is going to be hard to get from them, but agree he should be someone being targeted.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Which makes the decision not to try and secure Darlow all the more baffling, but I guess our hands were tied with the wages. I still maintain that Allsopp has cost us about 6 points, maybe even more. Defo 2 at Swansea, 1 Watford, 1 at QPR, and 2 elsewhere.

And the 2 he gained us at Boro?

 

[NewcastleTiger]

And the 2 he gained us at Boro?

Allsop spilled the ball into the centre of the box prior to both double saves.

 

[Ron Burguvdy]

Jeez… that’s one hell of a leap.
Why not carry on the doom train and suggest Acun will have had enough and sell the club too

To the Allams, who refuse to pay staff and we lose all the players, whilst breaking FFP signing Ehab as our new centre backforward for £10m from SS Alam Marine, the circle is made into an oval and the pitch is no longer playable as we find rare drunk as crested Newts in the centre circle, whilst a class action lawsuit is taken out by lack of mirrors in the ladies loos, biscuit man runs off with the last of the money and steals the recipe for chip spice...
Or wait a couple of weeks and see what happens?

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Realistically, how much 'building for the future' can you do these days in the Championship?

The kind of players we need to bring in to tip us into the play offs are going to be expensive, so you can only buy one or two, especially in January. Otherwise you are relying on loans, which are limited in terms of how many you can bring in too.

If your players get too good, they get bought by PL teams. If they aren't good enough, you slip down the table.

Some clubs have done it like Luton, but they didn't have anywhere near the turnover behind the scenes or on the pitch we've seen over the last couple of years.

Yes I think we'd all like this to be better and quicker, but building a strong deep squad takes time, especially when we clearly wasted the first 2 transfer windows under Acun.

I suppose the thinking is that if Philogene, for instance, gets picked off by the PL before we go up, then at least we should be getting a big fee for him which will allow us to bring in multiple quality players in his place - if we got 20-25m for him that's at minimum 2-3 new players fees + wages. So the idea is you have 2-3 quality players on your books, sell one, turn it into 4-5 quality players on your books, and so on.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I remember acun saying he wouldn’t take “a risk” when it came to strikers.
Tetteh came and went, didn’t do anything
Oscar came and went
We’ve got Delap on loan but I don’t think we’ve gone all out like the no10’s and bought a proven striker at this level

We were going to spend the majority of our transfer budget on strikers/forwards. This was before Oscar and Tetteh came in on frees, and then Delap on loan and Connolly on a free, and now Sharp on a free. It's bizarre.

 

[Drew]

I suppose the thinking is that if Philogene, for instance, gets picked off by the PL before we go up, then at least we should be getting a big fee for him which will allow us to bring in multiple quality players in his place - if we got 20-25m for him that's at minimum 2-3 new players fees + wages. So the idea is you have 2-3 quality players on your books, sell one, turn it into 4-5 quality players on your books, and so on.

Oh absolutely, but that's not building a side for the future, that's operating shrewdly in the transfer market. I'm all for that, but I think we need to abandon ideas of having a 'settled' squad. I think mostly those days have gone, especially with the short spells most managers get.

 

[Tony Angelino]

We were going to spend the majority of our transfer budget on strikers/forwards. This was before Oscar and Tetteh came in on frees, and then Delap on loan and Connolly on a free, and now Sharp on a free. It's bizarre.

Brucie always said your “only as good as your strikers”
I think that sums us up at the minute

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Oh absolutely, but that's not building a side for the future, that's operating shrewdly in the transfer market. I'm all for that, but I think we need to abandon ideas of having a 'settled' squad. I think mostly those days have gone, especially with the short spells most managers get.

Oh yeah don't think we'll be able to have players with us for 2-3 years developing as a side going up together, you almost have to look at it in two year blocks. Hypothetically we get Delap in permanently, I think we'd have next season with a relatively 'settled' side - where it's really just the fullbacks + Morton (and I suppose GK) being changed in the XI, but beyond next season I'd expect Philogene and maybe one of the CBs to go and then you're replacing them, so you only really get 18-24 months to develop players and try to make the most of them.

 

[Drew]

Oh yeah don't think we'll be able to have players with us for 2-3 years developing as a side going up together, you almost have to look at it in two year blocks. Hypothetically we get Delap in permanently, I think we'd have next season with a relatively 'settled' side - where it's really just the fullbacks + Morton (and I suppose GK) being changed in the XI, but beyond next season I'd expect Philogene and maybe one of the CBs to go and then you're replacing them, so you only really get 18-24 months to develop players and try to make the most of them.

Which is why this worry about loan players is a little confusing. Bring realistic, what's the difference between Philogene and Morton? Profit, probably. I can't see Jaden being here that much longer than Morton.

Both approaches are worthy and both have their pros and cons. I agree with you that we need to be looking at blocks of time, rather than worrying too much about a settled side that'll challenge in 2 years time.

 

[askewshair]

Also regarding loans - seems a lot of championship teams use the loan market to good advantage - like Tella at Burnley or Archer at Middlesbrough last season. Nothing wrong with using loan players trying to get where you want to be. Worked for Burnley not Middlesbrough. Might / might not work for us

I was recently discussing this with a Boro fan..He claimed that their star loanees last season were injured towards the end, which cost them in the play offs?

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Which is why this worry about loan players is a little confusing. Bring realistic, what's the difference between Philogene and Morton? Profit, probably. I can't see Jaden being here that much longer than Morton.

Both approaches are worthy and both have their pros and cons. I agree with you that we need to be looking at blocks of time, rather than worrying too much about a settled side that'll challenge in 2 years time.

It shows that there's a reason it's so difficult to get promoted. Throwing money at it doesn't always work, and being canny and going for young talent on the cheap doesn't always work.

 

[The B&S Fanclub]

And the 2 he gained us at Boro?

See my post 3289 in which I acknowledge his performance at Middlesboro. Other than this game and a couple of decent saves vs Leeds, he's been less than bang average.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

I remember acun saying he wouldn’t take “a risk” when it came to strikers.
Tetteh came and went, didn’t do anything
Oscar came and went
We’ve got Delap on loan but I don’t think we’ve gone all out like the no10’s and bought a proven striker at this level

Buying any striker is a risk. Arsenal still haven't figured there's out for example

 

[SydneyTiger14]

See my post 3289 in which I acknowledge his performance at Middlesboro. Other than this game and a couple of decent saves vs Leeds, he's been less than bang average.

Saveswise perhaps but also set up goals for us against Stoke and others through his quick play.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Buying any striker is a risk. Arsenal still haven't figured there's out for example

Which is why you shouldn't skimp on it, do it properly. We know we have a striker at the club that works in our system, so we should spend the money to keep him here.

 

[The B&S Fanclub]

Saveswise perhaps but also set up goals for us against Stoke and others through his quick play.

Fair comment, but most keepers can claim credit for creating goals at some stage in their career. I'm loathed to bang on about him, but when compared to some in this league he's poor. And that is without doubt the last comment I'm going to make on the topic....Thank feck.

 

[Benjo]

Too soon to be complaining about this window. Need to see how we stand in a couple of weeks.