BBC again.

[AshtonRed]

Are there really many? nah. no way. You used an example of an accident but something stops you those thousands of times what is it? its a check it? there are checks? remove the checks and have no single sex spaces anymore, blokes go where they like. you think thats good for all women?? my mrs would tear you a new one.

Obviously I don’t usually go in females loos because I’m a male with no ill intent towards women. I’m also not trans.

trans people exist so have to go somewhere, where would you suggest they go?, because in male loos they are likely to be abused or beaten up. The suggestion allowing trans into female loos makes those spaces more dangerous doesn’t stack up because if a man wants to abuse women in loos they will find a way whether trans are allowed in or not.

 

[Cliftonville]

Trans people exist, how do you suggest we deal with their needs?, make them use male facilities?

I think the argument is on the side of allowing them to use women’s facilities, to conflate the argument by suggesting it would make women’s facilities more susceptible to abuse doesn’t hold true. Men have always been able to gain access if they so wished.

A safer way in my view is to do away with urinals, have all toilets in cubicals and have mixed sex facilities.

You appear to have consecutively missed these questions. I will draw your attention to them again.

1. Could you articulate how you can dress as a women and simply access a female single sex space?
2. If you as a male are allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?
3. If a trans women is allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?

A safer way in my view is to do away with urinals, have all toilets in cubicals and have mixed sex facilities.

Unisex changing rooms put women in danger | News | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex (mixed sex) facilities.

 

[wings-of-a-crow]

more than a tad confused, please if your a male dressed as a lady thinking of going into the ladies loo in a liverpool pub, please dont because you will come most assuredly gender neutral in the most horrible way,

 

[AshtonRed]

You appear to have consecutively missed these questions. I will draw your attention to them again.

1. Could you articulate how you can dress as a women and simply access a female single sex space?
2. If you as a male are allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?
3. If a trans women is allowed to use female single sex spare are there any compromises to risk control measures?

Unisex changing rooms put women in danger | News | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex (mixed sex) facilities.

I was talking about toilets for mixed sex, I wasn’t aware there were urinals in changing rooms.

sorry for that flippant answer it was uncalled for, I wasn’t aware of that statistic.

I was talking about loos though , so possibly it may be different. My thinking was in a cubicle there would be no idea who’s actually in the cubicle, it may be a man, plus most decent men would protect ladies from unscrupulous men.

 

[Red Alert]

Unisex changing rooms put women in danger | News | The Sunday Times (thetimes.co.uk)

90 per cent – of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex (mixed sex) facilities.

So unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for my Mrs her female friends and kids!!!

 

[AshtonRed]

So unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for my Mrs her female friends and kids!!!

It would appear so, as I explained loos maybe different.

I wasn’t suggesting unisex changing rooms btw,

Although I imagine it depends how they are designed, unisex ones with separate cubicles I’d imagine would be different to ones without separate cubicles, I don’t like them even in single sex changing areas.

 

[AshtonRed]

more than a tad confused, please if your a male dressed as a lady thinking of going into the ladies loo in a liverpool pub, please dont because you will come most assuredly gender neutral in the most horrible way,

I wouldn’t fancy using a loo in a Liverpool pub full stop

btw my cousin is a copper in Liverpool.

 

[wings-of-a-crow]

I wouldn’t fancy using a loo in a Liverpool pub full stop

btw my cousin is a copper in Liverpool.

if you do find yourself caught short in liverpool, use the gents in the philarmonic, all solid marble and a tourist attraction in there own right, the pubs not bad either,

 

[AshtonRed]

if you do find yourself caught short in liverpool, use the gents in the philarmonic, all solid marble and a tourist attraction in there own right, the pubs not bad either,

My cousin says it has improved immensely, when he first started on the beat, in the centre of Liverpool coppers had to go in groups, now its much better and they are able to go in pairs.

 

[realred1952]

Could you articulate how you can dress as a women and simply access a female single sex space?

You make sure you have a close shaveand use plenty foundation lipstick and mascara change into a skirt frock or dress with a padded bra added for effect. choose a suitable long haired wig preferably dark not blonde. PICK A SWEET SMELLING perfume and carry a hand bag. walk up to the door or space and do not falter ... easy peasy!

btw just because a law says something doesnt always mean it is sacrosanct toward an individual that see's an alternative .. since the 60's I have often stayed in huts/hostelleries / clubs where male or female you respect each other as human beings .... and do what you need to with respect others who may not be as open! .. on all things!

 

[Cliftonville]

You make sure you have a close shaveand use plenty foundation lipstick and mascara change into a skirt frock or dress with a padded bra added for effect. choose a suitable long haired wig preferably dark not blonde. PICK A SWEET SMELLING perfume and carry a hand bag. walk up to the door or space and do not falter ... easy peasy!

btw just because a law says something doesnt always mean it is sacrosanct toward an individual that see's an alternative .. since the 60's I have often stayed in huts/hostelleries / clubs where male or female you respect each other as human beings .... and do what you need to with respect others who may not be as open! .. on all things!

I am certain even if I followed your preparation I would just look like a made up lurch.

In my line of work, the law in regards to the safeguarding of the vulnerable cannot, and should not be interfered with.

 

[Cliftonville]

So unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for my Mrs her female friends and kids!!!

There are additional risks. There have to be. Because men as a differing sex must represent different inherent risks to females rights to dignity, privacy and safety.

It would appear so, as I explained loos maybe different.

I wasn’t suggesting unisex changing rooms btw,

Although I imagine it depends how they are designed, unisex ones with separate cubicles I’d imagine would be different to ones without separate cubicles, I don’t like them even in single sex changing areas.

If you had answered the questions, I was guiding I hope politely you to the answer. When you make unequivocal statements expect to be asked for evidence to anchor your facts. You should not imagine. You either know, or do not when it comes safety.

You by being in single sex area used by women alter risks. Its a fact. Your a male. Would trans women represent the same, more, or less risk to females than men in single sex area? If you feel that trans women should use single sex spaces you should be able to answer that question. If you cant you do not care about the dignity, privacy and safety of women.

 

[AshtonRed]

There are additional risks. There have to be. Because men as a differing sex must represent different inherent risks to females rights to dignity, privacy and safety.



If you had answered the questions, I was guiding I hope politely you to the answer. When you make unequivocal statements expect to be asked for evidence to anchor your facts. You should not imagine. You either know, or do not when it comes safety.

You by being in single sex area used by women alter risks. Its a fact. Your a male. Would trans women represent the same, more, or less risk to females than men in single sex area? If you feel that trans women should use single sex spaces you should be able to answer that question. If you cant you do not care about the dignity, privacy and safety of women.

Trans people exist, how do you suggest we, as a society look after their needs?, I think we should allow people that are transitioning to women to use womens toilets if they wish to, forcing them to use male toilets puts them at greater danger. I care about everyone’s privacy, dignity and safety. Even minorities, however small.

 

[realred1952]

If you had answered the questions, I was guiding I hope politely you to the answer. When you make unequivocal statements expect to be asked for evidence to anchor your facts. You should not imagine. You either know, or do not when it comes safety.

You by being in single sex area used by women alter risks. Its a fact. Your a male. Would trans women represent the same, more, or less risk to females than men in single sex area? If you feel that trans women should use single sex spaces you should be able to answer that question. If you cant you do not care about the dignity, privacy and safety of women.

sounds like you are a woman or were once and have made the jump!

 

[Cliftonville]

Trans people exist, how do you suggest we, as a society look after their needs?, I think we should allow people that are transitioning to women to use womens toilets if they wish to, forcing them to use male toilets puts them at greater danger. I care about everyone’s privacy, dignity and safety. Even minorities, however small.

You by being in single sex area used by women alter risks. Its a fact. Your a male. Would trans women represent the same, more, or less risk to females than men in a single sex area?

Above is the question you did not answer.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Some data for you regarding prisons in the link. Check the comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 between males, females and trans women. Amongst the male population 16.8 % were convicted sex offenders. Amongst the female population 3.3 % were convicted sex offenders. The figure for trans women was 58.9%.

How do trans women entering the single sex spaces of prisons not increase risk? You feel the risks are ok?

 

[AshtonRed]

Above is the question you did not answer.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Some data for you regarding prisons in the link. Check the comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 between males, females and trans women. Amongst the male population 16.8 % were convicted sex offenders. Amongst the female population 3.3 % were convicted sex offenders. The figure for trans women was 58.9%.

How do trans women entering the single sex spaces of prisons not increase risk? You feel the risks are ok?

You still haven’t answered the fundamental question, what as a society do we do with these people, as they do exist? , I’ve at least made some suggestions .

prisons are a completely different issue, stick to the point, my suggestions were aimed primarily at toilets.

 

[Red Alert]

You still haven’t answered the fundamental question, what as a society do we do with these people, as they do exist? , I’ve at least made some suggestions .

prisons are a completely different issue, stick to the point, my suggestions were aimed primarily at toilets.

tbf prisons are a facility and you have used females facilities how many times in the thread?? prisons are part of the same issue with toilets. toilets are single sex facilities in singlle sex facilities!!!

what as a society do we do with these people, as they do exist? ,

trans women and men should be kept away from certain places. the faciliters posters have been mentioning not female toilets.

Above is the question you did not answer.

How do trans women entering the single sex spaces of prisons not increase risk? You feel the risks are ok?

Transwomen should go in male prisons or trans prisons. The risks are not ok!!

 

[Angelicnumber16]

We should not be changing our entire way of life to pander to a ridiculously tiny percentage of the population for people, who, it’s been found are often hormonal teenagers or are autistic and need a arm around them and a hug, rather than pushing them down a path of puberty blockers or irreversible surgery, from which there is no return if they grow out of it post puberty
It’s criminal and should be more closely monitored than it is currently. No one should be having anything other than counselling until they are at least 18
Yes Trans people exist, but these are the ones that just live their lives quietly as ADULTS not as confused and often vulnerable kids as young as seven

 

[wizered]

We should not be changing our entire way of life to pander to a ridiculously tiny percentage of the population for people, who, it’s been found are often hormonal teenagers or are autistic and need a arm around them and a hug, rather than pushing them down a path of puberty blockers or irreversible surgery, from which there is no return if they grow out of it post puberty
It’s criminal and should be more closely monitored than it is currently. No one should be having anything other than counselling until they are at least 18
Yes Trans people exist, but these are the ones that just live their lives quietly as ADULTS not as confused and often vulnerable kids as young as seven

Do't be so radical you will offend the human rightists, lefty libbies and and ECHR brigade...

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

We should not be changing our entire way of life to pander to a ridiculously tiny percentage of the population for people, who, it’s been found are often hormonal teenagers or are autistic and need a arm around them and a hug, rather than pushing them down a path of puberty blockers or irreversible surgery, from which there is no return if they grow out of it post puberty
It’s criminal and should be more closely monitored than it is currently. No one should be having anything other than counselling until they are at least 18
Yes Trans people exist, but these are the ones that just live their lives quietly as ADULTS not as confused and often vulnerable kids as young as seven

Being sensible is not allowed in the society of which we live.. you should be ashamed of yourself