New Manager

[Cityzen]

I think it’s a fair question how long as our club being going for and he is our first BAME manager.

And what about the 80 or so league clubs who have been in existence for longer and have never had a BAME manager?

 

[GEvans76]

And what about the 80 or so league clubs who have been in existence for longer and have never had a BAME manager?

Why do you think that is? Seems odd.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Don't know if anyone has already mentioned, apologies if I am repeating! Can't help feeling in view of the current situation at City and immediate priorities, one of the press conference questions yesterday to Liam was abrupt, appalling; "You're the first BAME manager for Hull City how do you feel about that?" To be fair to him, he answered really well, not something he had thought about, it was all about his ability and confidence to do the job. Personally, I don't care about the colour of our new Manager's skin, don't think any fan does, all we care about is he loves the club, his passion, self confidence in his own ability, and will give his heart and soul to it? Oh, and stop us shipping goals, obvs.

Have to say, I don't know if he was prepped beforehand with questions, but I was impressed how he presented himself, he was very polished, articulate, confident, clear in his communication. A huge asset if he can get his messages across speaks/acts to the players in this manner. I particularly liked his comments re. match on Saturday, he may not have much time to influence the squad before the Millwall game, but he knows what to expect from a Millwall team, it will give a measure of our mental ability. I know some are still divided in opinion of the appointment, I for one, truly wish him well, and am sure we will all get behind him willing him on to success. UTT.

It jumped out for me when that question was asked.
As you say, he answered it well.
Skin colour will only stop being an 'issue' when people stop flagging it up (like with that utterly stupid question that was asked).

 

[askewshair]

Shota had marginally the better points per game ratio at the end of the season.

Saying one was much better or worse than the other is distorting the truth.

Neither proved to be up to it at championship level. Grant getting us relegated on a mid table wage budget was hardly offset by winning league 1 with comfortably the best squad. We were in the relegation zone most of his time here last season also. Players seemed to pick up a bit of form when it was obvious he was getting fooked off.

A bit like players who don't play, McCann appears to be becoming a better coach the longer he's not coaching us.

I think I made the initial comparison. It was in the context that he got some experience in the Championship and did reasonably well. Which should have better prepared him for the transfer window and for this season

 

[Cityzen]

Why do you think that is? Seems odd.

Why concentrate on City? 3% of the population is black, so 1 1/2 %are black males. So 2 black managers out of 92 is a reflection of the numbers. Can do anything with data, can’t you? The question to ask is how many of the many black footballers who have had successful careers here have been interested enough in pursuing a career in management to have taken their coaching badges to the required standard,

 

[GEvans76]

It jumped out for me when that question was asked.
As you say, he answered it well.
Skin colour will only stop being an 'issue' when people stop flagging it up (like with that utterly stupid question that was asked).

Luckily as a white middle class male I have not had to struggle with skin colour being a issue.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

I think I made the initial comparison. It was in the context that he got some experience in the Championship and did reasonably well. Which should have better prepared him for the transfer window and for this season

Wheels deffo came off at West Brom and continued for the rest of his tenure.

Looks like he lost the dressing room to me.

 

[GEvans76]

Why concentrate on City? 3% of the population is black, so 1 1/2 %are black males. So 2 black managers out of 92 is a reflection of the numbers. Can do anything with data, can’t you? The question to ask is how many of the many black footballers who have had successful careers here have been interested enough in pursuing a career in management to have taken their coaching badges to the required standard,

I like you Barca but you doing your raving posts.

 

[Cityzen]

Luckily as a white middle class male I have not had to struggle with skin colour being a issue.

You might have done accompanying me through Chapeltown in Leeds late at night having missed the last bus.

 

[GEvans76]

You might have done accompanying me through Chapeltown in Leeds late at night having missed the last bus.

Lived in St Paul’s Bristol for years loved it.

 

[Cityzen]

I like you Barca but you doing your raving posts.

Not raving. Quoting the data. Or statistics.

 

[GEvans76]

Not raving. Quoting the data. Or statistics.

Football data?

 

[Cityzen]

Lived in St Paul’s Bristol for years loved it.

Chapeltown in the late 1960s was not a pleasant place to walk through late at night as a lone white male. Wasn’t particularly pleasant at any time of the day even in numbers. Funny how things change, in my grandad’s day being able to live in that area was an aspiration.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Luckily as a white middle class male I have not had to struggle with skin colour being a issue.

Well perhaps let's help then by not flagging it up as some sort of differentiator or 'issue'.
Most kids don't even see it, we need to get to the same stage ... which won't ever happen whilst muppets keep unnecessarily flagging it up.
Imposition of opposing values and cultures are however a different matter imo, but maybe not to go there (oops).

 

[Cityzen]

Football data?

Population data.

 

[GEvans76]

Population data.

Ok

 

[Cityzen]

Well perhaps let's help then by not flagging it up as some sort of differentiator or 'issue'.
Most kids don't even see it, we need to get to the same stage ... which won't ever happen whilst muppets keep unnecessarily flagging it up.
Imposition of opposing values and cultures are however a different matter imo, but maybe not to go there (oops).

Was talking to Curtis Woodhouse on Saturday night. No one ever considered his ethnicity when he was younger. Most just admired his ability at anything sporting and dads wished their kids could play football like him.

 

[askewshair]

You might have done accompanying me through Chapeltown in Leeds late at night having missed the last bus.

Did that many times in student days (maybe not with you). Lived round the corner from the Hayfield. Remember one evening (the year after the riots) stepping out the front door of our student digs. To my left were a large crowd of angry blacks. To the right, riot police. We quickly retreated back inside to watch from a front bedroom window. The tense stand off continued for a while, without escalating.

 

[bradymk2]

Was talking to Curtis Woodhouse on Saturday night. No one ever considered his ethnicity when he was younger. Most just admired his ability at anything sporting and dads wished their kids could play football like him.

He admits to fighting at school and in the streets after being racially abused: "I went from scrapping in the street and at school to fighting in the boxing ring from the age of 12. I was called a few names due to the colour of my skin, but with a quick smack in the mouth they soon backed off"

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Why do you think that is? Seems odd.

Doesn't seem odd at all. The colour of a person's skin does not effect ability as a football manager. It's not even an issue. If a person is talented enough they would be employed if they had bright purple with green poka dots skin. Likewise a player, don't remember anyone bringing up this issue when Pele and the Brazilians were the best team in the world by a country mile.