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I also believe none of the other parties would have done anything better and probably made at best equal mistakes and would have certainly made the financial state of the Country a lot worse...
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I believe with everything going on with the pandemic and coming out of the EU, Boris & co have done quite a reasonable job.....And that's my honest opinion....most won't agree, but hey ho!!
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Figures should not be viewed as tables. Take away London? The figures are different. Nuance has to be used. There are huge cultural differences between Countries and internal regions that will affect mortality rates. Cities with large transient populations in the UK are worst affected. Effect in Bristol? Students - transient and have been shifting around the Country causing a rise. Areas of the Country with high numbers of multi occupancy homes are adversely affected - Northern Cities and Towns with large immigrant populations.

The Government is having to modify culture and behaviour. Its wishful to think everybody would adhere to guidelines and guidelines will work evenly.
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there was an interesting comment on itv west .. there is a small laboratory in Taunton does a lot of NHS tests [ although a lot of BRI / Childrens hospital tests go to Southampton ] their machines do 1000 tests a day! takes 24 hours per batch ! They have been trying to get up to 4000 per day .. the latest state of the art machine does 24 per batch but only takes 30mins processing time … there is probably 5000+++ labs need / ordered ?x? or more ..! The company that males them is flat out …..
you can have the best will in the world to do 400,000 tests or more a day but without the newer machines you are f...……………….


Sir K Hindsight makes a stock phrase on supporting the .gov … however days or week later he forgot he was and is knocking it as the wrong way to go about it but never gives "what I would do" … covered it all before


BCR&W other than the hiccup with the IT fiasco labs have their hands tied! Before the pandemic, world wide there was enough testing machines. samples could be turned around in 24 - 48hours and in most labs could do a few cases in a few hours. It is a balancing act … why do 600,000 tests a day when the capacity to get the result is only 300,000 [ metaphorical statement].
British aero space has around 100 small engineering companies throughout the UK that do specific bits of work for them. It is 2 fold … they make missiles etc... so should all the parts be engineered in one place !! …. .. also some of the specialist machines lathes etc cost £ mega bucks … and a small company makes parts not only for them BAE but others as well … there may be only 1 or 2 of these machines in UK!
the same with the analysing machine manufacturers … demand is now sky high … a lab doesn't need just 1 or 2 they need multiples of 10 , 10 = 5000 + tests a day, simply just divide 400,000 tests daily by quantity needed.. UK would need 750 of these !!!! so top 50+ nations.... = approaching 50,000 machines

Ok but why send people across the country for tests rather than simply put them on a backlog?
 
I’m wondering if Rob said the grass was green, how many would argue with him?
I have many different points of view than Rob, I like him but not necessarily agree with him, we just have different destinations, I love his honesty, have my own thoughts and respect his.
 
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Ok but why send people across the country for tests rather than simply put them on a backlog?
confidence thing? or maybe each station is set up and can do x number of tests bit like MOT in theory you can turn and maybe wait and get one! or you book your slot …
I suppose each station catchment area does not have a INFINITE DAILY NUMBER OF TESTS? Time , staff numbers prospective cases.... mitigating factors!
 
The Government is having to modify culture and behaviour. Its wishful to think everybody would adhere to guidelines and guidelines will work evenly.

Labour yesterday between Mayors and mps were saying different things. behave like that and people are more likely to break lockdowns not follow guidelines. The Tories Hunt called it out for playing politics. it was sabotage and tere are also Tories playing games with the nations health!!!
 
Appreciate the comments, and it's certainly returned :emoticon-0167-beer:. I've said it before myself, but I think bcfcredandwhite is correct in that more often than not the truth lies in the middle. Politically clearly I'm the opposite end from many here.

It does seem like the numbers are piling up through all of the main European countries now, so to some extent I don't blame the latest rise necessarily on the government. But the difference lies in how they respond to this - France has locked down major cities, Spain have imposed a 2-week state of emergency on Madrid, that is completely in contrast to our tier system which is just not enough. And I think we'll see the effect of all this in 2 weeks time.
 
Regarding being bottom of the pile etc.......I don't believe that many Countries the size of ours with such condensed population are coming out of this with flying colours, I'm also very sceptical of all the covid death figures being scattered around either.....Most with underline major health problems before contracting Covid, .....still makes it a covid statistic.
I also believe that yes the Government could have handled the pandemic better, through hindsight. But I stress, easy said from the onlookers after the event!
I also believe none of the other parties would have done anything better and probably made at best equal mistakes and would have certainly made the financial state of the Country a lot worse...
I believe with everything going on with the pandemic and coming out of the EU, Boris & co have done quite a reasonable job.....And that's my honest opinion....most won't agree, but hey ho!!
By the way, you mentioned the Labour party, I never did!!

That may well be, and there's no point arguing against that, it's your opinion and we've done it already. But I'll say what I've said before - if Corbyn and Abbott were in power (and I use them as an example because a few people here hate them), there is no way you'd be being this lenient on them. There's not a chance that a few of you would be giving them the benefit of the doubt. I just think that says a lot, that's all.
 
I definitely agree it's somewhere in the middle of Labour, you've got Andy Burnham up in Manchester, grabbing his bit of glory saying no to lockdown, Sadiq Khan in London, fighting for survival in his job getting the begging bowl out pleading for lockdown, some labour MP saying they are both right although at opposite ends of the argument, Keir Starmer on Monday off the fence agreeing with 3 teir lockdown and on Wednesday jumps back on it again suggesting a' Circuit Breaker', they are just jousting politically.

They don't care a **** about the outcome as long as they appear clean, they are charlatans, all of them.

Just to add I'm not impressed with Boris and his crowd, communication breakdown and broken promises win no friends but to their defence they are fighting the complete unknown.
 
Think you're being a bit harsh there on some of them though tbf wiz. I see Burnham popping up but as far as I can tell all he wants is support for the businesses which are forced to close if/when the government imposes tier 3, which I think is totally fair enough and what an MP should be doing. Starmer - in all honesty I think he's playing the long game. He's a lawyer, he's superb at PMQ's, he's just biding his time for when it matters. I'm still not sure what I think of him or if he's any good, he hasn't had a chance to show it yet, but he's clearly playing the game and I don't blame him to be honest.

If it helps I can agree on Khan - he's certainly one to jump on the bandwagon for political gain.
 
Just to add on to my essay yesterday:

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Just to add I'm not impressed with Boris and his crowd, communication breakdown and broken promises win no friends but to their defence they are fighting the complete unknown.
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Appreciate the comments, and it's certainly returned :emoticon-0167-beer:. I've said it before myself, but I think bcfcredandwhite is correct in that more often than not the truth lies in the middle. Politically clearly I'm the opposite end from many here.

It does seem like the numbers are piling up through all of the main European countries now, so to some extent I don't blame the latest rise necessarily on the government. But the difference lies in how they respond to this - France has locked down major cities, Spain have imposed a 2-week state of emergency on Madrid, that is completely in contrast to our tier system which is just not enough. And I think we'll see the effect of all this in 2 weeks time.
Of which the people of Madrid are rebelling, complaining and winning a court battle that keeping them locked up is against their human rights..
 
That may well be, and there's no point arguing against that, it's your opinion and we've done it already. But I'll say what I've said before - if Corbyn and Abbott were in power (and I use them as an example because a few people here hate them), there is no way you'd be being this lenient on them. There's not a chance that a few of you would be giving them the benefit of the doubt. I just think that says a lot, that's all.
Mate, If Corbyn and Abbott were in power, the Country would be on it's knees and the laughing stock from around the world.....I couldn't think of anything worse...
 
That may well be, and there's no point arguing against that, it's your opinion and we've done it already. But I'll say what I've said before - if Corbyn and Abbott were in power (and I use them as an example because a few people here hate them), there is no way you'd be being this lenient on them. There's not a chance that a few of you would be giving them the benefit of the doubt. I just think that says a lot, that's all.

And yet where in the UK is performing worst of all in it's covid response? Wales, and who makes the covid decisions in Wales?, labour and where is the 2nd worst performing area?, Scotland, and who makes the covid decisions in Scotland?, the SNP and of course our friend Sadiq Khan hasn't covered himself in glory either.

The bottom line is we are dancing in the dark, we have never dealt with anything like this ever in the modern world, the 'experts' seem to make it up on a daily basis and seem to contradict themselves also on a daily basis. The government is damned if they follow the 'experts' as not being strong enough and damned if they ignore the 'experts' as being reckless.

And dear Keir wants a new lockdown but ordered his MP's to abstain from voting for it.
 
Of which the people of Madrid are rebelling, complaining and winning a court battle that keeping them locked up is against their human rights..

This isn't even relevant to the point. It's not really that different to what's happening between Burnham and Boris right now anyway.

Mate, If Corbyn and Abbott were in power, the Country would be on it's knees and the laughing stock from around the world.....I couldn't think of anything worse...

What, and we're not now? We're an absolute joke right now.

There are all sorts that would have been wrong with those lot in charge. I certainly wouldn't want that sort of government. But you know what, being more left, they are probably more likely to have locked down far earlier and saved lots of lives. They probably wouldn't have wasted £12 BILLION on an app that doesn't work. So much for the party that is 'good for the economy'.

The problem which I'm trying to demonstrate, and which you've done for me in the previous posts, is that you will go to great lengths to defend this government, but you won't apply that same outlook to the other sides. You're biased more so than most on here.

And to make it clear, I think Abbott is rubbish and Corbyn is useless. I'm just trying to demonstrate to you that maybe a few posters on here aren't necessarily the most objective. And I'll hold my hands up and admit, I was arguably the same in the BLM thread. But at least I recognise that.
 
Mate, If Corbyn and Abbott were in power, the Country would be on it's knees and the laughing stock from around the world.....I couldn't think of anything worse...

Dear Keir Stormer had 7 shadow front bench resignations overnight, the left love him.