Off Topic The Boris Johnson Appreciation Thread

[Albert's Chip Shop]

If there was any indication that people would vote the other direction then I would support a referendum. I mean it when I say I support democracy, and if it looks like polls are pushing heavily for remain then its important to have that vote.

But, it doesn't look like that at all. Every single party bar the Lib Dems have suffered a massive poll battering as soon as they announce a remain platform; look at Labour, those Brexit Party percentages are in Labour seats more than Torie ones, and we are sitting here pretending that Corbyn can run a general election without losing all his previous gains.

So, far, there is absolutely no mandate for a second referendum, it is entirely sour grapes from the losing side.

Poor Corbyn. Feel sorry for him.

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[Welshie]

You can't quote GDP as an indicator of anything other than how the individual country governs itself... However...

Noticeably the GDP of Iceland and Sweden, which I presume Brexiteers will use as justification of anything, will be massively boosted by tourism from the population of EU member states, and you have Norway on the other side of the coin flagging anyway... heck our GDP will include tourism from EU member states, because apparently people just have to come and see our **** weather for themselves. So what exactly is the point of using GDP as an argument?

Those countries doing well also have trade deals in place...

I mean, basically there is nothing that can be quoted that suggests Britain gets anything out of leaving the EU, except the square root of jackshit, and a bit of comfort for Daily mail readers that we might be able to stop these ****ing European doctors coming over here, saving our lives, the evil ****s.

You cant quote GDPs. If you say so, I suppose, except the issue isn't GDP's and the fact that most of the member states are in considerable debt and receive a large portion of their budgets from EU handouts. This is the case in Greece, Italy, Ireland and others. The biggest looming economic threat to the EU is this, only four member states contribute to the EU's budget, because they are the four that can actually turn a profit or deflect large interest gains from banks.

Those states include the UK, the single largest EU contributor apart from Germany. So, to suggest that the UK is set for dire financial straits when it can simply internally invest its outward finances as opposed to receiving a portion of financial support back from EU policies is a nonsense.

What the UK gains is direct control over its own policies internally and externally. The UK simply doesn't have that right now, and if it leaves it will. I actually think the financial repercussions of Brexit are a complete myth, hence why the national discussion is less regarding economic chaos (as told by Philip Hammond) and the fact that Northern Ireland will definitely, maybe, probably, likely, someday, go to complete civil war over the decision.Or Scotland will vote leave, or the sky will fall, or you won't be able to buy pasties, or meat, or breath, or dance, or walk to work. Literally every single negative so far has not happened, and when those things don't happen they have another 100 items to throw at you to try and make you scared.

 

[Welshie]

Everyones lost .

Just have another vote ! If its the what people want argument theres nowt to worry about

But that's not true, it's not what people want nor is it likely going to change anything. Why waste months of time, spend millions and delay everything for the sake of a vote which will likely end with a Leave victory?

 

[Fox Mulder]

But that's not true, it's not what people want nor is it likely going to change anything. Why waste months of time, spend millions and delay everything for the sake of a vote which will likely end with a Leave victory?

Ok then just ignore the idiot in the street and let the people in control that know what it means decide .

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

She was a nice young lady .

Then get her name right

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

Ok then just ignore the idiot in the street and let the people in control that know what it means decide .

No offence but the idiot seems to be brighter

 

[Fox Mulder]

Then get her name right

Oops shes still dead though at the hands of a leaver

 

[Fox Mulder]

No offence but the idiot seems to be brighter

I agree because your man tory cameron created this entire problem because he underestimated the stupidity of the general public... he broke a golden rule even I wouldnr have broken and im not exactly albert einstein

 

[Welshie]

Ok then just ignore the idiot in the street and let the people in control that know what it means decide .

I think you're missing my point, I'm directly talking about the people in the street. The people in the street who wanted to remain are the minority, and it doesn't look like that's changed at all.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I think you're missing my point, I'm directly talking about the people in the street. The people in the street who wanted to remain are the minority, and it doesn't look like that's changed at all.

Polls mean **** all... plus it provides an opportinity for the remain push to lie as much as the remain or maybe at least educate people as to what theyre voting for.

My other suggestion would be a sword fight ...

 

[Magnet]

I'm pissing myself laughing now.

Well I’m doing one of them and the clue is that i’m onto my second bottle of vino.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Well I’m doing one of them and the clue is that i’m onto my second bottle of vino.

Stop drinking

 

[Magnet]

I think what has bothered me most about this whole affair is how *nobody* - from any party - is defending *representative* democracy.

We invented representative democracy. It is arguably Britain's greatest gift to the world. It's certainly one of the things I'm most proud of about our country.

In direct democracy (i.e. referendums) nobody can be held responsible for the promises they make. In British democracy, if you promise the earth, you have to damn well deliver it, or get voted out 5 years later, or usually, sooner.

The result of the EU advisory referendum was clear: the people advised the government to prepare to leave the EU. Nobody knew what that would look like at the time. He We do now - either a no-deal brexit, or a deal that looks very much like what TM brought back.

In order for this to be democratic - as defined by the country that ****ing invented it - we now need an election with parties standing on *clear* policies:

Tory - No Deal
Labour - Deal (they need to be realistic and admit that any deal will look like what TM got, or set out very clearly what compromises their deal will make)
Lib Dem - Remain

Failing that we need a final referendum with ranked voting on those three options. But we would be better off having parties committing to deliver a particular outcome, and being judged on it.

We voted to leave. For democracy to retain it’s integrity we have to leave no matter what the terms. If we want to rejoin after we have left then let’s consider it but first we have to leave.

 

[Magnet]

Stop pandering to the DUP.

If remain isn't an option, adopt the May deal with the amendment (which the EU has said they will accept) that in the event the backstop kicks in, Northern Ireland would remain subject to EU rules but the rest of the country wouldn't. That would cause a border in the Irish sea but that would be an inconvenience and not a real problem.

The EU isn't going to muck around in order to maintain control of the Northern Irish economy. The backstop will therefore either never kick in or be sorted out sooner or later. This is only an unacceptable option because the DUP say so.

Save that as one kingdom we would not have full control over all of it which is just not acceptable.

 

[YAJERK]

You cant quote GDPs. If you say so, I suppose, except the issue isn't GDP's and the fact that most of the member states are in considerable debt and receive a large portion of their budgets from EU handouts. This is the case in Greece, Italy, Ireland and others. The biggest looming economic threat to the EU is this, only four member states contribute to the EU's budget, because they are the four that can actually turn a profit or deflect large interest gains from banks.

Those states include the UK, the single largest EU contributor apart from Germany. So, to suggest that the UK is set for dire financial straits when it can simply internally invest its outward finances as opposed to receiving a portion of financial support back from EU policies is a nonsense.

What the UK gains is direct control over its own policies internally and externally. The UK simply doesn't have that right now, and if it leaves it will. I actually think the financial repercussions of Brexit are a complete myth, hence why the national discussion is less regarding economic chaos (as told by Philip Hammond) and the fact that Northern Ireland will definitely, maybe, probably, likely, someday, go to complete civil war over the decision.Or Scotland will vote leave, or the sky will fall, or you won't be able to buy pasties, or meat, or breath, or dance, or walk to work. Literally every single negative so far has not happened, and when those things don't happen they have another 100 items to throw at you to try and make you scared.

You think the financial repercussions of Brexit are a myth? I mean that alone puts you in the over 60s deluded bracket.

Ireland's GDP was quoted as a reason Scotland should break away... then what happened? It went off the ****ing cliff and they had to be bailed out. If you run your country like ****e, the GDP is ****e, irrespective of the EU, hence it is pointless in this discussion, unless you want to point to the fact the best GDP growth economies have trade deals with the EU or are in the EU. No deal is ****e.

Sorry, but I'm not sorry and cannot make too fine a point on this, working for a major financial institution... If you voted for Brexit and still think it's a good idea, you are thick.

 

[Magnet]

Stop drinking

I will when I’m finished.

 

[Fox Mulder]

I will when I’m finished.

Just because i care..


Steroids are ok though

 

[Welshie]

You think the financial repercussions of Brexit are a myth? I mean that alone puts you in the over 60s deluded bracket.

Ireland's GDP was quoted as a reason Scotland should break away... then what happened? It went off the ****ing cliff and they had to be bailed out. If you run your country like ****e, the GDP is ****e, irrespective of the EU, hence it is pointless in this discussion, unless you want to point to the fact the best GDP growth economies have trade deals with the EU or are in the EU. No deal is ****e.

Sorry, but I'm not sorry and cannot make too fine a point on this, working for a major financial institution... If you voted for Brexit and still think it's a good idea, you are thick.

I think the level of hysteria pushed by our previous cabinet and the media is a myth, yes. Do I think we will face financial repercussions, of course, but the mass hysteria is laughable. I worded myself wrong there, apologies it was a large comment.

Once again, we are financially responsible for those member states because we are one of the dwindling number of net contributors for this group. It doesn't matter if Ireland and the other debt ridden member states are in that position because of direct EU membership or ****e leadership, we are still financially responsible for those member states. Which only hardens me to leave more, why should British tax payers be responsible for Ireland not taxing large US firms in their own country? Ireland left the UK if I recall.

Fundamentally I do not believe the EU works, as much as your financial position must be threatened for you to defend this club, I don't think said club will even exist in it's current form in the next 15 years.

So far we have seen one financial crash in Greece and the decision by Germany to open it's borders to mass migration. These two things, only TWO things, have left a ripple effect that has left the entire thing in chaos. It has no direct centralised government to weather controversy, it has a limited democratic process, it has a strictly enforced and distanced central bank, it accepts members based on political alignment and not financial contribution.

This organisation is doomed to fail.

And the large GDP growth economies being within or trading with the EU should be absolutely no surprise to anyone considering those same nations have been the largest GDP growth economies for a ****ing century. It's been the same states for generations now, irrespective of EU membership or not. All the new nations within Europe, who have decided to join the EU only a few years after their establishment, still remain some of the poorest performers in the developed world, most of them suffering heavily from mass migration from their countries and dwindling population rates.

A question, if Italy's banks crash and the UK remains in the EU, would you feel financially responsible and seek the UK government to aid in bailing them out? Would you follow suit with Spain who are a financial hiccup away from bankruptcy? We cannot feasibly continue contributing to something that is always on the verge of financial crisis.

 

[YAJERK]

I think the level of hysteria pushed by our previous cabinet and the media is a myth, yes. Do I think we will face financial repercussions, of course, but the mass hysteria is laughable. I worded myself wrong there, apologies it was a large comment.

Once again, we are financially responsible for those member states because we are one of the dwindling number of net contributors for this group. It doesn't matter if Ireland and the other debt ridden member states are in that position because of direct EU membership or ****e leadership, we are still financially responsible for those member states. Which only hardens me to leave more, why should British tax payers be responsible for Ireland not taxing large US firms in their own country? Ireland left the UK if I recall.

Fundamentally I do not believe the EU works, as much as your financial position must be threatened for you to defend this club, I don't think said club will even exist in it's current form in the next 15 years.

So far we have seen one financial crash in Greece and the decision by Germany to open it's borders to mass migration. These two things, only TWO things, have left a ripple effect that has left the entire thing in chaos. It has no direct centralised government to weather controversy, it has a limited democratic process, it has a strictly enforced and distanced central bank, it accepts members based on political alignment and not financial contribution.

This organisation is doomed to fail.

And the large GDP growth economies being within or trading with the EU should be absolutely no surprise to anyone considering those same nations have been the largest GDP growth economies for a ****ing century. It's been the same states for generations now, irrespective of EU membership or not. All the new nations within Europe, who have decided to join the EU only a few years after their establishment, still remain some of the poorest performers in the developed world, most of them suffering heavily from mass migration from their countries and dwindling population rates.

A question, if Italy's banks crash and the UK remains in the EU, would you feel financially responsible and seek the UK government to aid in bailing them out? Would you follow suit with Spain who are a financial hiccup away from bankruptcy? We cannot feasibly continue contributing to something that is always on the verge of financial crisis.

Put simply, yes, I think it's a collective responsibility to support less fortunate EU member states that haven't had the advantage of the slavery trade, the colonisation of mineral rich countries, arsenal of weaponry etc which have helped towards our current position as a leading economy.

The DIT had a remit of pushing something like a £trillion in exports before this Brexit ****e began, because that is what leads to 4x growth across businesses and decreases unemployment, and is the fundamental economic stimulus. That was an ambitious target when we had countries to trade with, but that has had to be shelved because we will have difficulty trading with our existing biggest market.

Countries will trade with us when we **** off, of course they will, but large companies have already started preparing for pull out or building bases around mainland Europe, so it would be unrealistic to expect anything other than a severe short-term hit as soon as free movement ends... But with what long-term pay off?

The only 2 legitimate reasons for supporting Brexit are the fact the EU has unelected officials, which is a farce, and that a couple of years ago slightly more than half the small percentage of people who could be arsed to vote, said they wanted to leave... despite the well publicised notion that the majority voted on the issue of immigration of non-EU citizens, and a lot of made up crap about extra NHS funding and dominion over the sea etc which within seconds of the vote was outed as nonsense.

Any financial ramifications of supporting other EU member states is a falsehood, given the dip in those to trade with and the amount we are looking to trade ultimately by far exceeds and is more valuable than the hundred millions or billions we might send to prop a countries bank system up. Ultimately the Basel accords and following regs provide impetus on capital adequacy ratios and ring fencing policies between investment and retail operations which should prevent a situation where banks collapse completely anyway.

In reality, I imagine in the worst case scenario of us providing funds for European stragglers, it will be comparable to some of our really important sectors like farming, manufacturing and health services, which will require propping up as soon as the button is pushed on Brexit.

 

[Magnet]

The only 2 legitimate reasons for supporting Brexit are the fact the EU has unelected officials, which is a farce, and that a couple of years ago slightly more than half the small percentage of people who could be arsed to vote, said they wanted to leave... despite the well publicised notion that the majority voted on the issue of immigration of non-EU citizens, and a lot of made up crap about extra NHS funding and dominion over the sea etc which within seconds of the vote was outed as nonsense.

You were going so well until this paragraph.

Regaining sovereignty. Some people never wanted to be in the EU in the first place. We were never asked and we never voted. You may find this amongst the reasons why people voted to leave.

As for “slightly more than half the small percentage of people who could be arsed to vote, said they wanted to leave “. Well that’s democracy for you.

And then pure speculation in your last sentence of the paragraph. Me thinks you’re the one wumming now.