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What the nice Mr Lammy thinks of people who share that.
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What the nice Mr Lammy thinks of people who share that.
He is IMO, one of the reasons why sometimes we struggle to integrate. He's the sort, always looking for ammunition to play a race/offend card...
He was on Question Time a few weeks ago......wow, does he not want Brexit or what!!!
Has there? To be honest, I think most people are angry, as they are fed up to the back teeth with the shambles delivered by Parliament....I don't really see too much of the right-wing rhetoric and violence that you're saying.........especially compared the recent problems they've had in France........again a bit of scaremongering I feel...
I get your opinion, imagine the the dilemma people simular to me have, we hate right wing fanatics and racism, we also detest left wing thugs and lunatics who want to impose their form of control and lies on the people.
Well hate crime is without doubt rising, all the statistics suggest so. Against ethnic minorities, homosexuals, transgenders, disability... it's all gone right up since the referendum (40% or so I think it is). I personally would assume that is behaviour of the right, but I'll admit I can't directly prove it.
Yeah I'm not saying everyone who is supportive of the right is at fault here whatsoever. There are so many normal things that these days are stupidly considered 'right wing'. But I can see where Lammy is coming from that's all, based on the fact that the violence is shooting up, and genuinely ruining lots of lives, and some ERG rhetoric seems to support it. Though I'd stop well short of comparing the ERG to Nazi's.
Well hate crime is without doubt rising, all the statistics suggest so. Against ethnic minorities, homosexuals, transgenders, disability... it's all gone right up since the referendum (40% or so I think it is). I personally would assume that is behaviour of the right, but I'll admit I can't directly prove it.
Yeah I'm not saying everyone who is supportive of the right is at fault here whatsoever. There are so many normal things that these days are stupidly considered 'right wing'. But I can see where Lammy is coming from that's all, based on the fact that the violence is shooting up, and genuinely ruining lots of lives, and some ERG rhetoric seems to support it. Though I'd stop well short of comparing the ERG to Nazi's.
The way incidents have been reported has changed. This has led to a spike - Fact. The biggest rises in reported incidents are connected with disabilities and sexual orientation. It is not 40%. It has nothing to do with left or right.
Do not even talk about the rise in grooming gangs … That has nothing to do with Brexit.
Anti Semitism is on the rise in the Labour party.Or perhaps t was ever present and again the way the Labour party records and reports incidents has altered.
Far right violence is dwarfed by extremism linked to one religion. Is that the primary cause of rises in crime? The likes of which David Lammy and others in the Labour party will not and cannot talk about. Neither will Government … Difficult subject for anybody.
David Lammy is linking Conservatives to white supremacists and Nazis. He has also said the Met have covered up deaths linked to the Grenfell disaster. He thinks the judiciary discriminate against people based on colour. His remarks about white saviour Stacey Dooley were a disgrace costing comic relief millions. He is displaying a theme there,
Could you provide evidence of any ERG rhetoric that supports violence? Could you point to any ERG rhetoric that supports the murder of millions?
This is another left winger thinking that free speech is his right to slander others because they support Brexit, while telling others what they are, what they can't do, and that includes the BBC.
It is a very left wing thing to do.
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I watched the interview on the ' Andrew Marr Show' it was terrible, I can't see how you can compare the leader of the ERG to the Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan, the white racist regime in South Africa or the NAZI filth that butchersd 6 million plus Jews,Lammy ought to be sued for slander.
I don't particularly like posh toss pots anymore than people that seek headlines to justify their own causes, it's disgusting.
I don't particularly like posh toss pots anymore than people that seek headlines to justify their own causes, it's disgusting.
That is very dangerous assuming things and using it as a direct argument mate........Mr Blair assumed that Iraq had arms of mass destruction, look where that took us.
You don't think it has anything to do with Social Media then? Or lack of Police? Do you think it's all down to the referendum why we now have so much knife crime? Perhaps divorce rates are increasing because of the referendum........come on mate, an intelligent person like you shouldn't look down that road!
I think you're reading too many dodgy Newspapers!!
I don't doubt this is the case to be fair. But equally I'd say that applies to the fallacy that the Tories have improved the job market since being in power. In fairness, I expect both are disingenuous to at least some degree.
I'm not sure the numbers suggest it's dwarfed, but I couldn't agree with you more regarding what you're getting at in general. This situation we're in, where you cannot criticise for fear of retribution, is pretty toxic and will bite us in the arse more so than it already has at some point.
No I can't. I wrote in my post that I would stop short of agreeing with Lammy re: Nazi's. Please don't twist my position, I don't think I've insinuated any agreement here
.I don't doubt this is the case to be fair. But equally I'd say that applies to the fallacy that the Tories have improved the job market since being in power. In fairness, I expect both are disingenuous to at least some degree.
I'm not sure the numbers suggest it's dwarfed, but I couldn't agree with you more regarding what you're getting at in general. This situation we're in, where you cannot criticise for fear of retribution, is pretty toxic and will bite us in the arse more so than it already has at some point.
No I can't. I wrote in my post that I would stop short of agreeing with Lammy re: Nazi's. Please don't twist my position, I don't think I've insinuated any agreement here
Far right violence is completely dwarfed by violence linked to …It is being used as a cause de celebre by media and the left wing to take the spotlight away from the latter. It is violence you can criticise, condemn, detest without fear of being called racist .
Mr Lammy uses a similar privilege to slander his opponents over Brexit. He really can't call the ultra intelligent Mr Rees- Mogg stupid but he can call him other names. That is the left wing game.
I don't think it's down to the referendum, I didn't say that. What are you even talking about? I just said since, I'm not implying causation. I think you're spot on regarding the lack of police.
If, (and it's a big if as Cliftonville made a valid point), hate crime is going up. Which side do you think is more likely to be committing hate crime against Muslims, gay people, transgender people and the disabled?
It's probably worth pointing out that BoJo compared the EU to Hitler not so long ago. It works both ways.
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Your quote "Well hate crime is without doubt rising, all the statistics suggest so. Against ethnic minorities, homosexuals, transgenders, disability... it's all gone right up since the referendum"
I'm assuming, this hate crime you are referring to has happened since the referendum, because of the referendum.!
I don't believe there is a side, as you say committing hate crime against Muslims, gay people, transgender people and the disabled. There has been and always will be a minority of people hating others different to them.....possibly lack of culture and education....and I also believe that some people, whom are not Ethnic Minority, Muslim, gay, transgender etc feel they've been forgotten about..
Yeah exactly onefor I think this is a massive part of it. People refer to Brexit as a 'protest vote' and quite rightly so. I just don't think it's the answer personally, but that's the debate isn't it. But I think it's safe to say we're all pretty disillusioned right now, regardless of which side you're on, and were so at the time of the referendum.
TOOK THE WORDS FROM UNDER MY FINGERS 1 for... getting used to his posts now .. mostly under researched, without substance and assuming/ assumption based on lack of knowledge or simply stated and withdrawn in the same breath just to draw attention to " I am self centred EGO " …. need to keep spouting something ……...
The Australian rugby player Folau has been sacked for saying Gays will end up in hell.
Yet Donald Tusk can say there's a place in hell waiting for Brexiteers and be lauded by fellow EU officials and remainers.
It's a funny old world.
Yet Donald Tusk can say there's a place in hell waiting for Brexiteers and be lauded by fellow EU officials and remainers.
It's a funny old world.
Yes, but many also feel disillusioned regarding the European Union and what it stands for. So, many people didn't use it as a protest vote, but because they genuinely believe we can be better off without them...