This is a good post. I don't mean zero I mean break even. Will we have enough stuff to sell that other will buy to support the population that lives here is what I mean. How do we migrate back to manufacturing (in the result in changes to the financial centres) IF we don't have a saleable product. Seems you are suggesting by lower wages that we would have to slash "standard of living" to compete in that area again? No it isn't what I am suggesting as being a good thing. I am saying that is what could (not will) happen. Yes I do have an issue with it. We are already in that area of low wages with the multinationals and large employers plus the gig economy forcing wages down. Yes there are some pretty good jobs created at the other end with great salaries but the vast bulk of the jobs are seeing wages forced down from induced competition for those jobs.
Are you including all the student loans that don't get paid back by students in our government's investment? And one would have to ask in that case, if Japan are getting so much more than us, where is all our money going? If we aren't getting as much as them despite borrowing while they get more but are paying debt off, what on earth has been going on in this country for the past 30 years?
You call me cynic and you think I am wording what I write deliberately to "frame" things as a question? You didn't call anything. You just decided that me asking a question was a tactic rather than it.....just being a question. My forecast - We are doomed unless we change. "We" meaning Europe as a whole.
"The people have made their choice, and they can't change their mind," says woman who keep pushing the same proposal again and again in the hopes that her own MPs will change their minds.
Mankind as a whole is probably doomed but in the meantime we are caught in the cult of the ignorant “Don’t believe anyone who knows anything they’re just trying to dupe you. You can only trust those who know nothing. Honesty always trumps (!) expertise even when it’s uninformed” Trump Brexit MMR, all part of the same cult
Good to see the Tories are taking today's debate seriously, listening to every point made and forming their opinions... Oh, hang on, they haven't bothered to turn up. Vin
occasionally I have just sat and watched in wonder as the sun sinks slowly into the sea. Besides me are a millionaire who has just walked down from his hotel and and a man flogging dodgy sunglasses. At that moment in time we are all in the same place with the same thoughts. It doesn't happen often but it does.
And here, you have finally asked the correct question. The real reason behind this protest vote, and the misdirected anger toward the EU Unfortunately, the answer is that our countries services are run terribly. Too much red tape and management in every single government run organisation (from the army to the NHS). These are the real systemic issues, and Brexit will not change this. If anything it will make it worse, in my opinion. Brexit is nothing but a distraction from the real issues. If anything, it’s given those d!ck’s in Westminster a 2 year reprieve from doing anything that actually matters.
You are sounding more like the political class every day "And here, you have finally asked the correct question." Sounds very similar to "let's have another referendum so that you can give us the correct answer."
The newly-independent MP Sarah Wollaston summed it up perfectly in the House a bit earlier. Referring to her earlier job as a surgeon, she pointed out that in order for a patient to give consent to a procedure, they had to know precisely what that procedure entails, along with possible outcomes and risks. That is exactly where we are now in terms of Brexit. Whatever people were told in 2016 about outcomes and risks, we now have a much more detailed picture, including the government’s own economic forecast based on May’s Withdrawal Agreement. People deserve to have a chance to ratify the deal, reject it in favour of no deal, or reject Brexit altogether, informed by up to date forecasts.
Government to the electorate: "You've voted once, narrowly supported one side and we must, absolutely must, respect your view. Suggesting that you might vote again with the knowledge of what leave actually entails is undemocratic" Government to Parliament: "You've voted twice, rejecting the same offering by two of the three biggest majorities in Parliamentary history. You must have another say (and we may well ask for a fourth go). Suggesting that Parliament must not vote again on exactly the same motion is undemocratic" Vin
The Tories clearly not giving a single **** about the Parliament to which they want to return control. Vin
What a contrast between our EPL elite who are on an upward curve and look ready to dominate Europe again, Messi withstanding, and our political elite who are out of the non-League category in terms of political talent. Sorry , I meant to say Sunday park football category We deserve the best PM, so like City and Liverpool have gone for the best coaches in the business., our political parties need to scour the world to get the best one. Jpe Kennedy for one!!!!
How about everyone who voted leave gets to leave and gets a new passport and everyone who voted remain keeps their old one. Then when you're driving your lorry to Dover you just flash your passport and see how it works out?
Is there a limit to how many times the same proposal can be voted on? Seems crazy there is another vote next week on the same proposal that was voted down this week and earlier this year.
In theory there is. A Labour MP earlier pointed out the number of times in history Speakers have prevented exactly the same motion being brought in more than once, let alone 3 or 4 times. If the government try and bring the same thing in next week as is rumoured, I await a procedural move to try and prevent it.
