Match Day Thread Manchester Utd v Sevilla

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gav81 said:
I actually think their reputations were well documented when they came to United and they've lived up to them.

The board simply put too much stock in their long ago achievements, under different circumstances, at different clubs rather than understand the qualities that make a good manager for United here and now.
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This. The important qualities need to be satisfied for a new manager and they are not necessarily the same as at any top club.

1. Attractive flair football.
2. Success: good results.
3. Title challenge. At least a top 4
4. Success in European football.
5. Bring in youth talent.
6. Personality.- unselfish, non self serving
 
Diego said:
So how do you know if they were yuk if you only watched them beat Spurs a couple of times per season :huh:
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You still dream don't you Diego?

I hated his bullcrap.I think the refs were too bloody scared of him and this gave him a team advantage.Why the refs seemed to accept this,i don't know.I guess they wanted to keep their jobs so they kept their mouths shut.
Of course,like Real,they could buy who ever they wanted and pay them what they wanted.....this is probably why wages have gone off the board and others have joined in,like City and Chelsea.....while others may be gone by the year 2025.

My brother,like others,is a couch United fan and liked to tell how great they are/were.Usual bullcrap.......and,yes,Idid learn to read at school and collected all the football mags to read about Spurs,but for some reason beyond me ,they used to write about other teams.Why?Haven't a clue
 
By the way,I did say that I thought Ferguson was yuk.........and he should get away from United and (I'm sure) interfering with management there by being there.

I wondered, when Bill returned to Spurs,he would interfere but Keith was his own man.
 
Christiansmith said:
This. The important qualities need to be satisfied for a new manager and they are not necessarily the same as at any top club.

1. Attractive flair football.
2. Success: good results.
3. Title challenge. At least a top 4
4. Success in European football.
5. Bring in youth talent.
6. Personality.- unselfish, non self serving
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I agree with a lot of your list. These are the criteria I came up with for a manager, using Fergie as the template...
  • Hunger and Winning Mentality
  • Inspiration and Motivation
  • Control and Discipline
  • Fight and Aggression
  • Respect and Fear
  • Man-Management
  • High Standards
  • Opportunities to Youth
  • Exciting/Attacking football
That'll be Keano then :1980_boogie_down:
 
gav81 said:
The curse of United <laugh>

The only curse is the three bandits, Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho, who between them successively stole our standards, attacking football and youth.

Once those three pillars of the United way have been released, the curse will be lifted.
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The most baffling one of all for me was van Gaal. I said at the time it wouldn't end well and it didn't.
For some reason a lot were hoodwinked into thinking he was still good when he very obviously was not and was long over the hill.

I understood the appointment of Moyes and Mourinho though, although I accept Moyes was a mistake and utter failure. At the time he seemed a safe bet.

Tuesday was the begining of the end for Jose, simple as that. He's not got long left.

I don't want us to go down the big name merry go round route again so let's forget Ancellotti. We need an up and comer.

Not sure on Keane, as amusing as that would be, but I'd have no problem starting again with a management team of Giggs, Scholes and Butt for instance.

Could it be any worse?
 
Chief said:
The most baffling one of all for me was van Gaal. I said at the time it wouldn't end well and it didn't.
For some reason a lot were hoodwinked into thinking he was still good when he very obviously was not and was long over the hill.

I understood the appointment of Moyes and Mourinho though, although I accept Moyes was a mistake and utter failure. At the time he seemed a safe bet.

Tuesday was the begining of the end for Jose, simple as that. He's not got long left.

I don't want us to go down the big name merry go round route again so let's forget Ancellotti. We need an up and comer.

Not sure on Keane, as amusing as that would be, but I'd have no problem starting again with a management team of Giggs, Scholes and Butt for instance.

Could it be any worse?
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That's interesting because I was more dismayed about the appointments of Moyes and Mourinho than Van Gaal. Ok, anyone who read what the Munich supporters said about Van Gaal should have known to expect the worst, but Holland's performances at the World Cup momentarily had me hoping for more.

It would be great to get a syndicate of United legends in the backroom/coaching staff - at the least it could set an example to the current players. There's no way it could be worse than the last five years. But I don't think Giggs could raise us to our previous level, he's missing too much from the above list - especially the inspirational/motivational quality and respect/fear factor of Fergie.
 
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The manager has to have the respect of the players but also their willingness to give their all for him. He also has to bring them to their best form and to their best position to the benefit of the team. He has to put the team/squad above all else. All things that JM has failed on.
 
Christiansmith said:
The manager has to have the respect of the players but also their willingness to give their all for him. He also has to bring them to their best form and to their best position to the benefit of the team. He has to put the team/squad above all else. All things that JM has failed on.
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Respect and a healthy dose of fear. Fergie had it in spades. Because of that, no player would dare give less than 100% for him.

I don't think Jose has that same quality. If a manager with no previous connection to the club, who I knew will probably be out the door soon, who has disagreeable tactics and an arrogant character got on my back, I'd likely think, "Well **** ya" and feel demotivated. I'd still play for my own pride but not for him.

Giggs has a different problem. Although respected for his achievements as a player, as a person he's too nice/quiet. Soon as he's out of earshot after a bollocking I'd be laughing, "Oooh Giggsy, probably not getting any from his sister in law."

Keane is the one with that Fergie-esque fear factor - the palpable tension when he enters the room, that slight menace behind his gaze - it's what makes players sit up and take notice, it's what makes them react to his words. He demands respect, 100% commitment and the players know in an instant what will happen if he doesn't get it - it's black and white with Keano. He's also captained United to the lot (though he plays down his achievements) and the players would accept he's asking for the same effort that he once gave to United.

He'd get the maximum from the players and then some, how it was under Fergie and should be at United.
 
gav81 said:
Respect and a healthy dose of fear. Fergie had it in spades. Because of that, no player would dare give less than 100% for him.

I don't think Jose has that same quality. If a manager with no previous connection to the club, who I knew will probably be out the door soon, who has disagreeable tactics and an arrogant character got on my back, I'd likely think, "Well **** ya" and feel demotivated. I'd still play for my own pride but not for him.

Giggs has a different problem. Although respected for his achievements as a player, as a person he's too nice/quiet. Soon as he's out of earshot after a bollocking I'd be laughing, "Oooh Giggsy, probably not getting any from his sister in law."

Keane is the one with that Fergie-esque fear factor - the palpable tension when he enters the room, that slight menace behind his gaze - it's what makes players sit up and take notice, it's what makes them react to his words. He demands respect, 100% commitment and the players know in an instant what will happen if he doesn't get it - it's black and white with Keano. He's also captained United to the lot (though he plays down his achievements) and the players would accept he's asking for the same effort that he once gave to United.

He'd get the maximum from the players and then some, how it was under Fergie and should be at United.
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Perhaps we would be better off with Clint Eastwood or Gibbs out of NCIS?
 
Send for that old Wimbledon hitman,now currently "acting" in Hollywood.Remember him? He's the one that got attracted to Gazza's balls!
 
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