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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%
  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%
  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
Didn't say you did specifically but some of your more general comments might be taken that way...the dangers of generalisation :emoticon-0100-smile

1.3m of a 64M ...sounds about right lol.

Talking of Unions NIPSA the biggest trade Union in Northern Ireland was for Brexit. They argued that any true socialist couldn't support staying in a system that propped up corporations, and suppressed wages of the poorest people not just in the UK but across Europe.

Unfortunately that's my union and I've had several run ins with its now President as he was our reputation at work...

My union, RMT, was Brexit. Union rep asked that I remove a Remain sticker from my locker.
 
Thing I get bemused at is the bumptious denial by racists that they're, er, racist. I've mentioned several work colleagues, but one of my four sisters (the Mail reader) is the example I'm thinking of. I stayed with her over in Liverpool over Easter. She said then that she was leaning towards Brexit. We discussed it and, after her fourth G&T and I'd demolished her financial and economy arguments, the truth emerged - '****ing Pakis everywhere - they want us to be a Sharia Law state!'. She was treated two years ago in the Linda Mccartney centre for breast cancer. Several nurses were asian/Filipino and her oncologist was from Eire. And, her and her now ex husband accumulated a comfortable wealth and the large house she has in West Derby village through his work in the oil industry in Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi during the 70's and 80's. Yet there's never a trace of irony in her voice when she says 'I don't want my granddaughter to grow up in a country full of immigrants'.

And that's why I knew, from conversations like that and with workmates, that even when Remain were 10% ahead, as soon as the debate turned to immigration in the final three weeks the game was over. Not just because the English people are inherently thick (my sister has a degree), or Nazi or whatnot, but because they're ****ing stupid, paranoid and always want to blame an easily identifiable 'them' for anything that's wrong in their ****ing lives.

Think that describes most populations...hence the rise of extreme right and left parties across Europe and Yankland ...people want to believe someone can make it better in an uncomplicated way...They don't want to think it's actually hard work and they have to do their bit as well...
 
Small end of the wedge...next it would be national elections etc.

What I will agree on is the timing and the circumstances of this referendum was deeply flawed.

If the Tories had been United as a party on Brexit and used the last 6 years as govt to build the case including a clearly defined plan of what they would do after. With a united Labour party with a clear opposition strategy then a referendum would have been fine. It wasn't the complexity that was the issue...it was that none of the main parties had any clear plan because they were divided...

What should have happened was an internal vote at the Tory party conference with the understanding the party would present a united proposal...either remain or Brexit...then campaign in the general election based on that decision. This would have removed the need for a referendum.

Alas......

No chance, we've had two referendums in 40 years (on the same issue), it's not like we need them. They wouldn't have any impact on having elections.

The rest is interesting but tbh, if this vote had happened a decade ago, we'd have voted Remain by a landslide.
 
No chance, we've had two referendums in 40 years (on the same issue), it's not like we need them. They wouldn't have any impact on having elections.

The rest is interesting but tbh, if this vote had happened a decade ago, we'd have voted Remain by a landslide.

I agree...when we all felt well off and warm and fuzzy (even if it was built on banking lies lol) we would have voted remain overwhelmingly....
 
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Did you rightly tell him to make love to the front end of a moving train?

I put a EU heart sticker on his locker when I was on nights. They were pissed because one of our conductors went out festooned in Out badges and regalia and a passenger saw it and put his photo on Facebook - then management -rightly - told him to remove all the stuff whilst he was on duty and in the public eye. Evcen though I'm not in the public eye usually, a manager came to our control centre and sheepishly asked me to remove an In badge from the jacket on the back of my chair as they'd complained that we should all be made to remove badges if the conductors were. I laughed and did so.
 
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Are we to assume that everybody who voted remain knew exactly why they were doing it and what the consequences would be, did they each and all vote for a perfect righteous reason?
I think most of the Leavers would admit, albeit reluctantly, that there are some significant factions within their ranks who are extremists and an element they'd rather not be associated with, and they've just found themselves together through common cause. I'd least I'd sincerely hope that that's the case.
I can't really imagine any analogous group within the Remain camp, can you? The motivations are different. I'm not talking about a few individuals, but organisations with a clear agenda. Is there an equal and opposite counterpart to, say, the BNP?
I'm trying to have a reasonable debate here, btw - and not descend to the yah-boo point scoring stuff we get up to over football.
 
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BTW can I just comment on the fact it should be one person one vote. Why does the poll on here give Diego and AFCFW 17 votes each!!! <grr>
 
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I think most of the Leavers would admit, albeit reluctantly, that there are some significant factions within their ranks who are extremists and an element they'd rather not be associated with, and they've just found themselves together through common cause. I'd least I'd sincerely hope that that's the case.
I can't really imagine any analogous group within the Remain camp, can you? The motivations are different. I'm not talking about a few individuals, but organisations with a clear agenda. Is there an equal and opposite counterpart to, say, the BNP?
I'm trying to have a reasonable debate here, btw - and not descend to the yah-boo point scoring stuff we get up to over football.
I agree with you totally saint, just a bit pissed off that some (not you) are trying to paint all exit voters as thick or raving racists <ok>
 
I agree with you totally saint, just a bit pissed off that some (not you) are trying to paint all exit voters as thick or raving racists <ok>
Actually, just to lighten the mood...
I mentioned this a few weeks ago. I was passed on the road by a van with the legend Immigration Enforcement on it. So maybe that's it. Maybe whilst the BNP are chucking 'em out of one door the IE will be forcing them back in through another.
Liberal extremists.
 
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No. Of course not all Leave voters are racist xenophobic bigots. The one's who aren't that are just stupid uninformed ****s <laugh>

Racists will never admit they're racist. There are still Nazi concentration camp guards convinced they did nothing wrong
 
Actually, just to lighten the mood...
I mentioned this a few weeks ago. I was passed on the road by a van with the legend Immigration Enforcement on it. So maybe that's it. Maybe whilst the BNP are chucking 'em out of one door the IE will be forcing them back in through another.
Liberal extremists.
<laugh>
 
Where the **** is George Osborne??? Ok he lost but until he resigns he's the bloody Chancellor....Markets open again tomorrow and he's hiding away wearing his stocking and suspenders being rimmed by a group of hand picked Young Conservative boys!
 
May is a massive advocate of removing freedoms and privacy from uk citizens. She isn't someone I would want having full control. Now whilst I'm not suggesting Boris is some kind of brilliant choice, I would choose him over her. My personal preference would be for someone with a bit of integrity like Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Really Rees-Mogg is a bit like Corbyn useful for the party as a counter balance to the party machine but as leader - no no no.
Well actually yes cos i hate the Tory bastards but as an honest opinion he is a non starter yes he was more honest than most during the referendum debate but he wasn't part of the campaign team A Neal etc were talking to him due to his long standing opposition to the EU.
His biggest problem is the mass of the electorate would look/listen to him and go "he has never been anywhere near a real life" and vote for someone else.
He always reminds me of Redwood when he was a candidate for Tory leader -you are not 100% sure they are fully human they seem a bit artificial in the non emotion sense.

Personally i would prefer that our politics moved that way where there was far more real discussion of the issues rather than this pathetic boo hoo politics followed by the desperate buying of the electorate every 5 years but hold out no great hopes
 
Where the **** is George Osborne??? Ok he lost but until he resigns he's the bloody Chancellor....Markets open again tomorrow and he's hiding away wearing his stocking and suspenders being rimmed by a group of hand picked Young Conservative boys!
ITK ?
 

Where the **** is George Osborne??? Ok he lost but until he resigns he's the bloody Chancellor....Markets open again tomorrow and he's hiding away wearing his stocking and suspenders being rimmed by a group of hand picked Young Conservative boys!

He was the last person who thought he'd end up drowning his EU sorrows in da cheeze on the wrong end of denice's fat 9" dildo wearing a glitzy pink cowboy hat, a pig mask and with Rhc spitting sambuca mixed with saliva in his arsehole to ease the Tory boys' way of entry
 
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