I accept your point, now please don't say that I'm saying the 17.5m are all racists. But I'm certain more than 1.3m are.
Of course we did...every single one of us did independent research...refused to listen to any of the ludicrous threats and bullying that came out for some in the Remain campaign..we all have in depth knowledge of every effect being part of the EU has our lives, it's set up and processes. You don't think some of us just regurgitated what they heard on tv do you????
You're right, everyone should have the right to vote no matter how illiterate. But what it shows is that Referendums on single policy issues should NOT be decided by the public.
You mean like trying to subvert and refuse the process they participated in because it didn't provide the result they wanted? You don't think that is crossing a fairly significant line?
True but that point was incidental. The bigger point is that while both sides have idiots, there aren't any reasons for voting by the remain campaign that were bigotted or small-minded.
Meanwhile the labour party crisis deepens. 10 shadow cabinet resign One sacked... Leaked documents to bbc show Corbyn actively sabotaged the remain campaign The guy needs sacking immediately himself.
Nobody's refused the process, nobody's subverted the process. People are simply questioning the motives and/or reasons of those who made an ill-informed decision. That doesn't mean they don't accept the decision. What you're talking about is "after the event", the rest of us are talking about before the event.
Despite all their faults, the politicians are elected to represent the people. I think that's where democracy should lie. IF tomorrow we had a referendum on capital punishment, we know what the result would likely be.
Didn't say you did specifically but some of your more general comments might be taken that way...the dangers of generalisation 1.3m of a 64M ...sounds about right lol. Talking of Unions NIPSA the biggest trade Union in Northern Ireland was for Brexit. They argued that any true socialist couldn't support staying in a system that propped up corporations, and suppressed wages of the poorest people not just in the UK but across Europe. Unfortunately that's my union and I've had several run ins with its now President as he was our reputation at work...
Lets hope they don't represent the thousands who are about to lose their jobs because they either own, or work for, businesses that are dependent directly on EU.
The rest of Us? Sorry didn't realise this debate was less than general. And you've written several statements regarding "after" in your more recent posts...such as Brexiteers regretting their vote now etc.. As for no one attempting to subvert...try reading a few newspapers opinion sections and oh yes....David Lammy, Nicola Sturgeon...etc. the "rest of us" were discussing this earlier ....
Now being suggested by the BBC that they have leaked emails and other documents from Labour which suggest Corbyn deliberately undermined the remain campaign, maybe this is the reason so many of the shadow cabinet are resigning.
If this is true then surely all who received or had access to these documents prior to the vote should be excluded from the party?
Small end of the wedge...next it would be national elections etc. What I will agree on is the timing and the circumstances of this referendum was deeply flawed. If the Tories had been United as a party on Brexit and used the last 6 years as govt to build the case including a clearly defined plan of what they would do after. With a united Labour party with a clear opposition strategy then a referendum would have been fine. It wasn't the complexity that was the issue...it was that none of the main parties had any clear plan because they were divided... What should have happened was an internal vote at the Tory party conference with the understanding the party would present a united proposal...either remain or Brexit...then campaign in the general election based on that decision. This would have removed the need for a referendum. Alas......
But it's ok T....all part of their master plan for a more beautiful and equal world...but at least they weren't racist lol...
Thing I get bemused at is the bumptious denial by racists that they're, er, racist. I've mentioned several work colleagues, but one of my four sisters (the Mail reader) is the example I'm thinking of. I stayed with her over in Liverpool over Easter. She said then that she was leaning towards Brexit. We discussed it and, after her fourth G&T and I'd demolished her financial and economy arguments, the truth emerged - '****ing Pakis everywhere - they want us to be a Sharia Law state!'. She was treated two years ago in the Linda Mccartney centre for breast cancer. Several nurses were asian/Filipino and her oncologist was from Eire. And, her and her now ex husband accumulated a comfortable wealth and the large house she has in West Derby village through his work in the oil industry in Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi during the 70's and 80's. Yet there's never a trace of irony in her voice when she says 'I don't want my granddaughter to grow up in a country full of immigrants'. And that's why I knew, from conversations like that and with workmates, that even when Remain were 10% ahead, as soon as the debate turned to immigration in the final three weeks the game was over. Not just because the English people are inherently thick (my sister has a degree), or Nazi or whatnot, but because they're ****ing stupid, paranoid and always want to blame an easily identifiable 'them' for anything that's wrong in their ****ing lives.
