Off Topic WW3 How Close?
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At this very moment I find it baffling that he has plowed billions into funding Ukraine in their war effort against Russia
America are our greatest allies and he won’t go in against Iran with them
We should be shoulder to shoulder with America without them we are sitting ducks
America 'were' our greatest ally. The USA internally is tying itself in knots debating whether this war is illegal or not and whether its warranted. Half of their own country will be against it. So why should we blindly follow? Until they sort themselves out we should just keep our nose out of this mess.
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This isnt a case of backing America or not. Its a case of whether we should back Trump or not. His constant jabs towards Americas traditional allies, the amount of bother he has caused us with his 'America First' policies. He hasnt hesitated for a second dropping us, the EU and Ukraine in the clarts by cosying up to Putin. Ridiculing our soldiers who fought and died in Afghanistan and Iraq? After that insult I dont think I and many could stomach the thought of us sending a single pilot over Tehran. Why should we?
If Bush, Obama or Biden had suddenly decided to do this, then I can imagine alot of people being swayed in favour. And I could convince myself that there would be an endgame to it. However with this lunatic? We have no idea what his plans are cos I dont think he and the idiots he surrounds himself with know yet. No thanks Donald, I think we'll sit this one out. And when he buggers off, and when hopefully a bit of normalcy returns to American politics, then I'll be happy to let them start telling us what to do again.
If Bush, Obama or Biden had suddenly decided to do this, then I can imagine alot of people being swayed in favour. And I could convince myself that there would be an endgame to it. However with this lunatic? We have no idea what his plans are cos I dont think he and the idiots he surrounds himself with know yet. No thanks Donald, I think we'll sit this one out. And when he buggers off, and when hopefully a bit of normalcy returns to American politics, then I'll be happy to let them start telling us what to do again.
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When you say ‘he’ I assume you mean this government, the previous government and the current opposition. Are you opposed to the support we’ve given to Ukraine?
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Yes.
No def not opposed but why so eager to support and provide the Ukraine and not support our Allie America ?
Forget Trump this is about America and standing alongside them as they have with us in the past. Irans threats against the west over the decades include the UK
So you have no problem with our support for Ukraine but you’re aware Trump doesn’t feel the same …
… so, if he’s not prepared to back us in Ukraine why should we automatically back him in Gaza, Venezuela, Iran, etc.
What happens if he sends fighting troops into Greenland, do we stand alongside him then. Are there any limits or do we have to agree with any war he chooses to start?
The relationship is nowhere near as special with him in charge. He saw to that.
Iraq and Afghanistan invasions had the majority of Americans (general public, military, politicians) backing it. They were wounded by 9/11 resulting in general support globally too. So I could see why Britain followed. This isnt the case this time. It isnt even getting full backing in America, nowhere near enough support globally, so why should we put our military in the firing line by blindly following this time? If we dip our toe in now, god knows what hellish pit of sh*t, blood and mangled bodies we may eventually end up having to crawl out of. I honestly think that the British public would not stand for it and Starmer writing Trump a blank cheque would have spelt the end for him as PM. Not a fan of Starmer, but he's done the right thing here.
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In the past I can imagine that our politicians have generally followed a mantra basically stating 'Whats good for America is good for Britain'. Whatever decision they make is the right one, we'll back you up! Since Trump, that is now not the case. He's caused the wedge between us, we are not going to bend over this time. His fault!
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He is backing Ukraine and has done from the start, he was also heading the peace talks which did descend into a shambles mind and I dont see anywhere where I have said he doesnt feel the same either.
Venezuela peddle drugs which could be on these shores as far as we know, so yes we should back America on that as drugs is probably the biggest cause of crime in the UK, dont believe he has asked for backing on that though so maybe not relevant.
I actually agree with him over Greenland, if as he says it helps sustain world peace, I do not recall him saying he would send fighting troops into Greenland ?
Point I make is back America, if we dont I see bigger problems in years to come.
For context Smug, I cant stand the bloke, he wont be president forever.
Back America on this and we could get dragged into a war costing many British lives and repaint a larger terrorist target on our backs at home. We've been down this route before. Not back them, Trump could end up getting ousted from within, be replaced by someone more normal and things just go on as before.
I might be wrong on both counts. But I'd rather us aim for the latter.
Now I'm hoping that all this bombing and death results in a happier Iran and Middle East. It's been tried before, will it work this time? Doubt it!
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Trump and Putin
Birds of a feather.
Megalomaniacs.
Birds of a feather.
Megalomaniacs.
The mistake of Brexit grows bigger by the week ...
... Trump is now trying to turn Europe against us and isolate the UK.
Thank God there's a match on tonight.
... Trump is now trying to turn Europe against us and isolate the UK.
Thank God there's a match on tonight.
Looks like flights to Cyprus are still going ahead. Can't say I would fancy a holiday there at the minute.
Trump has done bugger all for Ukraine.
See the following is from the Council on Foreign Relations which describes itself as an independent, nonpartisan, membership organization, think tank and educator that was founded in 1921 to promote informed public discussion on the most consequential issues facing the US and the world
Since Trump assumed office in January 2025, there has been no [new] legislation or other authorizations of significant new aid to Ukraine. However, a substantial amount of the aid appropriated under the Biden administration is still in the pipeline and deliveries of aid packages have continued, although on two occasions the Trump administration temporarily paused some deliveries. As of December 31, 2025, the US had disbursed 58 percent of the $188 billion in spending related to the conflict (U.S. spending is first appropriated, then obligated, then disbursed). Nonetheless, the lack of new aid commitments means that US aid deliveries are running out...
Here’s How Much Aid the United States Has Sent Ukraine | Council on Foreign Relations
Eleven charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in recent years—though there has been no new U.S. aid legislation since 2024, and combined European aid tops U.S. contributions.share.google
And just to make it easier to take in, here is their statement in graph form
