Wtf Gus?

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Gus out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 28.6%

  • No

    Votes: 24 42.9%

  • Getting there

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • Total voters
    56
For you lot, I'd give careful consideration to your fanbase and be able to understand them. Gus clearly doesn't. Di Canio probably did but his methods were unorthodox and Martin O'Neill seemed a bit flappy without his number two at his side.

Having a look at good coaches, who look like they know what they're doing, I'd say you lot couldn't go far wrong with Steve Bould. I wouldn't know his 'philosophy' but he seems a very genuine bloke who evidently knows a thing or two.

Aside from him, like Nads mentioned McClaren is a world class coach and he'd have to be first choice, he knows the region and has experience in bringing success to that region.

**** the whole 'philosophy' thing off because quite frankly, it's a load of bollocks. Some daft word that Pep spouted off all too often as he took credit for what Messi, Iniesta and Xavi did on the pitch when they were all untouchable.
 
Funky said:
<doh> The bloke is an idiot. Shouldn't be let near a dug out. You have to question the sanity or football knowledge or both of anyone who rates the fool.
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So i have an opinion and because u dont agree i have no knowledge of football its my opinion are u always this self centred
 
Smug in Boots said:
I think he's dreadful & out of touch ......... I don't understand how he could inspire players tbh.

I also despise his personality which would make it difficult to judge him objectively as our manager.

Would you like him at Newcastle.
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Absolutely.
Smug in Boots said:
"You and I have been physically given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains. Some people have not been born like that for a reason.

The karma is working from another lifetime. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities.
What you sow, you have to reap."
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Would you have such an issue with a Hindi who believes the same thing?
Funky said:
Based on what out of interest? HIs lack of managerial work in the last Decade, All the trophies he hasn't won before? Steering Spurs to 10th in the table? His atrocious management of the England team? Keeping Southampton up by the skin of their teeth? Or his failure to get Wolves promoted? He's out of touch and never been a good manager.
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I just think he's a good manager who plays a good style of football, listening to him on telly and reading his interviews he still has some good ideas and philosophies in my opinion. Of course he could crash and burn as he has not rack record in the last 10 years to go off, but I think it will work out well for him.
 
Smug in Boots said:
I heard he used to room with Gascoigne who I'm quite sure is .............
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Gazza would do anything for a stubby though mate.

I'd have serious reservations about employing anybody who cites 'karma working from another lifetime', in all honesty, regardless of his coaching credentials, the last thing I'd want is a manager who would entertain the idea of the supernatural, next thing you know he'd have 'prayer time' in training.
 
rokerparks scoreboard said:
So i have an opinion and because u dont agree i have no knowledge of football its my opinion are u always this self centred
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I'm not self centered, care explain your thinking there? I didn't try to take your opinion away, nor did I say you're not entitled to it. I simply disagreed and added my own reasoning. It happens on forums believe it or not. You clearly can't handle people who disagree with you. How sad for you, this forum will eat you alive if you think people are not entitled to having a different opinion to your own. <doh>

Or maybe you can tell me what qualifies him for a premiership job? 10 years after failing in the Championship? Instead of pissing and whinging that someone disagrees who'd actually explained why they disagree. <doh>

Nowt more self centered than a poster who makes a one word statement
rokerparks scoreboard said:
Hoddle
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Without explaining their reasons, then asks other people for their reasoning. <doh>

rokerparks scoreboard said:
So would you with nails in your hands.
Why not Hoddle
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Maybe take a look in the mirror.
 
Smug in Boots said:
"You and I have been physically given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains. Some people have not been born like that for a reason.

The karma is working from another lifetime. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities.
What you sow, you have to reap."
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Well at least he doesn`t think we`re lizards like that other barmpot David Icke.

Not saying Gus should go yet but it`s beginning to look as if it`s getting to him.

Then it`s up to the board. Is there anyone on there with a football knowledge or interest in the game or are they all business types whose company happens to be a football club?

If and when we do need to appoint a new manager, I`ve no idea who, but imo Short must set his sights much higher.
 
En Garde said:
Absolutely.

Would you have such an issue with a Hindi who believes the same thing?

I just think he's a good manager who plays a good style of football, listening to him on telly and reading his interviews he still has some good ideas and philosophies in my opinion. Of course he could crash and burn as he has not rack record in the last 10 years to go off, but I think it will work out well for him.
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Or his entire management career before that. He's won nothing, Poyet's managerial honors already match his.
 
En Garde said:
I just think he's a good manager who plays a good style of football, listening to him on telly and reading his interviews he still has some good ideas and philosophies in my opinion. Of course he could crash and burn as he has not rack record in the last 10 years to go off, but I think it will work out well for him.
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What philosophies in particular do you think are good?

I hate that word, did you ever hear Fergie say 'philosophy'? Or Bobby Robson say 'philosophy'?

LVG can't talk for 5 seconds without saying that stupid ****ing word, I'm convinced managers say the word now to fool people into thinking they know what they're talking about.

Martinez has a philosophy that everybody ****ed over last season, turns out he's just a fraud and Moyes' good work and foundations he left in place covered him for what turned out to be a brilliant season for them.
 
grandpops said:
Well at least he doesn`t think we`re lizards like that other barmpot David Icke.

Not saying Gus should go yet but it`s beginning to look as if it`s getting to him.

Then it`s up to the board. Is there anyone on there with a football knowledge or interest in the game or are they all business types whose company happens to be a football club?

If and when we do need to appoint a new manager, I`ve no idea who, but imo Short must set his sights much higher.
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Short needed a manager quickly, Poyet was available and it worked.

We now have the time to appoint someone with experience who can work within the present set up.
 
You stated you would have to question
the sanity or football knowledge of anyone who rates the fool there for stating i know nothing. I put hoddles name forward for peoples opinions and respect each and everyone of them. I think Hoddle was doing a great job when england manager until his mistake with his comments about disabled people which he was totally wrong to do. I reckon he could do a decent job for us and just needs another chance thats my opinion. And as for being eaten alive haha i dont take things to heart off complete strangers so i think i will be ok
 
Funky said:
Or his entire management career before that. He's won nothing, Poyet's managerial honors already match his.
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Just looking at a trophy collection is a very narrow minded way of looking at anything, I know you are a stats man though so perhaps undestandable.
Typical_Terry said:
What philosophies in particular do you think are good?

I hate that word, did you ever hear Fergie say 'philosophy'? Or Bobby Robson say 'philosophy'?

LVG can't talk for 5 seconds without saying that stupid ****ing word, I'm convinced managers say the word now to fool people into thinking they know what they're talking about.

Martinez has a philosophy that everybody ****ed over last season, turns out he's just a fraud and Moyes' good work and foundations he left in place covered him for what turned out to be a brilliant season for them.
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Maybe philosophies is the wrong word, more just thoughts on the game, ideas. His tactical analysis always spot on from what I've seen.
 
GUS POYET is certainly not afraid to cause a stir among supporters. Just weeks after raising eyebrows on Wearside for suggesting many of them were living in the past, he followed up Tuesday night’s dreadful home defeat to QPR by launching a further attack on sections of the club’s fans.

But what sort of damage has he done? Has his outspoken assessment of the atmosphere in the stands fractured his own, previously healthy relationship with those paying to watch his team? Only time will tell.


In suggesting that Sunderland’s fans would rather see players “running around” than “trying to pass the ball” after losing 2-0 to struggling QPR, Poyet has lost a lot of his appeal to a number of the Wearside club’s followers judging by the reaction on social media.

His comments were part of a story which spent the day at the top of The Northern Echo’s most popular online stories chart and will have annoyed plenty of other readers of the back page as they ate breakfast on Wednesday morning.



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There are those giving him the benefit of the doubt and agree with certain things that the South American has said, but Poyet has been urged to tread more carefully if he wants to stay popular among Sunderland’s support.

He is not past the point of no return just yet, according to long-standing season ticket holder Gareth Barker, who is a producer for the popular Wise Men Say podcast in association with A Love Supreme Fanzine.

“If Sunderland win at Bradford in the FA Cup and beat West Brom then it'll all simmer down again!,” said Barker, who has been a regular since the Stadium of Light opened in 1997.

“People often talk about style and systems, but none of that matters when you're winning. It's only when you're losing that the cracks begin to show. The only way Gus can turn things around now is to start winning.

“People have long memories in football. Even if we have a purple patch, we'll invariably have another bad run of form. If he comments on the support again then he'll be in serious trouble of losing them. I think some have already had enough of him, judging by social media.”

First half goals from Leroy Fer and Bobby Zamora were enough to inflict defeat on a Sunderland side that had provided hope in previous outings against Burnley, Fulham and Swansea City.

But Poyet was understandably frustrated after watching his team lose to a side who had failed to claim a single point in their previous 11 away matches. There were improvements after the restart from Sunderland after he had made adjustments.

Poyet said: “I don’t know if that was football. I don’t define that as football. It was a desperate team running about trying to be nice with the fans.

“You can’t analyse about passing the ball because nobody wanted to pass the ball here. Everybody wanted the players to play the ball forward – to let it bounce and get corners. It was more important to get a corner than make a pass.”

But Barker remains a fan of the Uruguayan and sympathises with him, to a degree. He said: “I don’t understand what he means. I don’t know what he is getting at.

“He speaks English very well but I don’t think his point comes across clearly sometimes and his words are often open to interpretation. That’s why his comments can be interpreted negatively, like they have a couple of times now.

“I personally would criticise fans who boo during games, but when you generalise the whole support with what a few are saying then that’s where there are problems. His critics can pounce on that and have a field day. It started again on Tuesday night. He has to be more careful in the future.”

Barker added: “There is an underlying problem with the club and I don’t know what it is. Poyet has taken on the challenge so it is his responsibility, but the enormity of the job he has to do is starting to take its toll.

“He is saying things he should not be saying. It’s not the fans totally and it’s wrong for him to say that it is. I am a fan who likes to focus on the football because the soap opera surrounding football is tiresome; things like what he has said do not help.”

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sp...as_Gus_Poyet_pushed_Sunderland_fans_too_far_/
 
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En Garde said:
Just looking at a trophy collection is a very narrow minded way of looking at anything, I know you are a stats man though so perhaps undestandable.
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Who's doing that? I've gone through most of his managerial career, remember? You responded to the post.

Stats or no stats, it's a results based industry and he's underwhelmed his whole career and hasn't had a top job for over a decade. Think that's more than enough to no want him as me manager don't you?

I need a hell of a lot more than philosophy porn on tv to make my mind up on who'd I'd want, all theory and no application. We can all be an armchair manager. Would love it if you were recruiting the Mag manager.
 
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